China has officially put the United States on notice that Washington’s planned attack on Pakistan will be interpreted as an act of aggression against Beijing. This blunt warning represents the first known strategic ultimatum received by the United States in half a century, going back to Soviet warnings during the Berlin crisis of 1958-1961, and indicates the grave danger of general war growing out of the US-Pakistan confrontation.
“Any Attack on Pakistan Would be Construed as an Attack on China”
Responding to reports that China has asked the US to respect Pakistan’s sovereignty in the aftermath of the Bin Laden operation, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Jiang Yu used a May 19 press briefing to state Beijing’s categorical demand that the “sovereignty and territorial integrity of Pakistan must be respected.” According to Pakistani diplomatic sources cited by the Times of India, China has “warned in unequivocal terms that any attack on Pakistan would be construed as an attack on China.” This ultimatum was reportedly delivered at the May 9 China-US strategic dialogue and economic talks in Washington, where the Chinese delegation was led by Vice Prime Minister Wang Qishan and State Councilor Dai Bingguo.1 Chinese warnings are implicitly backed up by that nation’s nuclear missiles, including an estimated 66 ICBMs, some capable of striking the United States, plus 118 intermediate-range missiles, 36 submarine-launched missiles, and numerous shorter-range systems.
Support from China is seen by regional observers as critically important for Pakistan, which is otherwise caught in a pincers between the US and India: “If US and Indian pressure continues, Pakistan can say ‘China is behind us. Don’t think we are isolated, we have a potential superpower with us,’” Talat Masood, a political analyst and retired Pakistani general, told AFP.2
The Chinese ultimatum came during the visit of Pakistani Prime Minister Gilani in Beijing, during which the host government announced the transfer of 50 state-of-the-art JF-17 fighter jets to Pakistan, immediately and without cost.3 Before his departure, Gilani had stressed the importance of the Pakistan-China alliance, proclaiming: “We are proud to have China as our best and most trusted friend. And China will always find Pakistan standing beside it at all times….When we speak of this friendship as being taller than the Himalayas and deeper than the oceans it truly captures the essence of our relationship.”4 These remarks were greeted by whining from US spokesmen, including Idaho Republican Senator Risch.
The simmering strategic crisis between the United States and Pakistan exploded with full force on May 1, with the unilateral and unauthorized US commando raid alleged to have killed the phantomatic Osama bin Laden in a compound at Abottabad, a flagrant violation of Pakistan’s national sovereignty. The timing of this military stunt designed to inflame tensions between the two countries had nothing to do with any alleged Global War on Terror, and everything to do with the late March visit to Pakistan of Prince Bandar, the Saudi Arabian National Security Council chief. This visit had resulted in a de facto alliance between Islamabad and Riyadh, with Pakistan promising troops to put down any US-backed color revolution in the kingdom, while extending nuclear protection to the Saudis, thus making them less vulnerable to US extortion threats to abandon the oil-rich monarchy to the tender mercies of Tehran. A joint move by Pakistan and Saudi Arabia to break out of the US empire, whatever one may think of these regimes, would represent a fatal blow for the fading US empire in South Asia.
As for the US claims concerning the supposed Bin Laden raid of May 1, they are a mass of hopeless contradictions which changes from day to day. An analysis of this story is best left to literary critics and writers of theatrical reviews. The only solid and uncontestable fact which emerges is that Pakistan is the leading US target — thus intensifying the anti-Pakistan US policy which has been in place since Obama’s infamous December 2009 West Point speech.
Gilani: Full Force Retaliation to Defend Pakistan’s Strategic Assets
The Chinese warning to Washington came on the heels of Gilani’s statement to the Pakistan Parliament declaring: “Let no one draw any wrong conclusions. Any attack against Pakistan’s strategic assets, whether overt or covert, will find a matching response…. Pakistan reserves the right to retaliate with full force. No one should underestimate the resolve and capability of our nation and armed forces to defend our sacred homeland.”5 A warning of full force retaliation from a nuclear power such as Pakistan needs to be taken seriously, even by the hardened aggressors of the Obama regime.
The strategic assets Gilani is talking about are the Pakistani nuclear forces, the key to the country’s deterrent strategy against possible aggression by India, egged on by Washington in the framework of the US-India nuclear cooperation accord. The US forces in Afghanistan have not been able to conceal their extensive planning for attempts to seize or destroy Pakistan’s nuclear bombs and warheads. According to a 2009 Fox News report, “The United States has a detailed plan for infiltrating Pakistan and securing its mobile arsenal of nuclear warheads if it appears the country is about to fall under the control of the Taliban, Al Qaeda or other Islamic extremists.” This plan was developed by General Stanley McChrystal when he headed the US Joint Special Operations Command at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. JSOC, the force reportedly involved in the Bin Laden operation. is composed of Army Delta Force, Navy SEALs and “a high-tech special intelligence unit known as Task Force Orange.” “Small units could seize [Pakistan’s nukes], disable them, and then centralize them in a secure location,” claimed a source quoted by Fox.6
Obama Has Already Approved Sneak Attack on Pakistan’s Nukes
According to the London Sunday Express, Obama has already approved an aggressive move along these lines: “US troops will be deployed in Pakistan if the nation’s nuclear installations come under threat from terrorists out to avenge the killing of Osama Bin Laden… The plan, which would be activated without President Zardari’s consent, provoked an angry reaction from Pakistan officials… Barack Obama would order troops to parachute in to protect key nuclear missile sites. These include the air force’s central Sargodha HQ, home base for nuclear-capable F-16 combat aircraft and at least 80 ballistic missiles.” According to a US official, “The plan is green lit and the President has already shown he is willing to deploy troops in Pakistan if he feels it is important for national security.”7
Extreme tension over this issue highlights the brinksmanship and incalculable folly of Obama’s May 1 unilateral raid, which might easily have been interpreted by the Pakistanis as the long-awaited attack on their nuclear forces. According to the New York Times, Obama knew very well he was courting immediate shooting war with Pakistan, and “insisted that the assault force hunting down Osama bin Laden last week be large enough to fight its way out of Pakistan if confronted by hostile local police officers and troops.”
The Shooting Has Already Started
The shooting between US and Pakistani forces escalated on Tuesday May 17, when a US NATO helicopter violated Pakistani airspace in Waziristan. Pakistani forces showed heightened alert status, and opened fire immediately, with the US helicopter shooting back. Two soldiers at a Pakistani check post on the border in the Datta Khel area were wounded.8
Possible Pakistani retaliation for this border incursion came in Peshawar on Friday, May 20, when a car bomb apparently targeted a 2-car US consulate convoy, but caused no American deaths or injuries. One Pakistani bystander was killed, and several wounded. In other intelligence warfare, Ary One television reported the name of the CIA station chief in Islamabad, the second top US resident spook there to have his cover blown in six months.
US Envoy Grossman Rejects Pakistani Calls To Stop Border Violations
US Special Representative to Afghanistan and Pakistan Marc Grossman, the replacement for the late Richard Holbrooke, on May 19 arrogantly rejected Pakistani calls for guarantees that no more Abottabad-style unilateral operations would be mounted in Pakistan.9 In refusing to offer such assurances, Grossman claimed that Pakistani officials had never demanded respect for their border in recent years.10
In the midst of this strategic crisis, India has gone ahead with inherently provocative scheduled military maneuvers targeting Pakistan. This is the “Vijayee Bhava” (Be Victorious) drill, held in the Thar desert of north Rajastan,. This atomic-biological-chemical Blitzkrieg drill involves the Second Armored Corps, “considered to be the most crucial of the Indian Army’s three principal strike formations tasked with virtually cutting Pakistan in two during a full-fledged war.”11
The Nation: A CIA-RAW-Mossad Pseudo-Taliban Countergang
One way to provide the provocation needed to justify a US-Indian attack on Pakistan would be through an increase in terrorist actions attributable to the so-called Taliban. According to the mainstream Pakistani media, the CIA, the Israeli Mossad, and the Indian RAW (Research and Analysis Wing) have created their own version of the Taliban in the form of a terrorist countergang which they control and direct. According to one account, “Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) operatives have infiltrated the Taliban and Al-Qaeda networks, and have created their own Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) force in order to destabilize Pakistan.” The former Punjab Regional Commander of the Pakistani Inter-Service Intelligence (ISI), retired Brigadier General Aslam Ghuman, commented: “During my visit to the US, I learned that the Israeli spy agency Mossad, in connivance with Indian agency RAW, under the direct supervision of CIA, planned to destabilize Pakistan at any cost.”12 Was this countergang responsible for last week’s double bombing in Waziristan, which killed 80 paramilitary police?
According to the same account, Russian intelligence “disclosed that CIA contractor Raymond Davis and his network had provided Al-Qaeda operatives with chemical, nuclear and biological weapons, so that US installations may be targeted and Pakistan be blamed….” Davis, a JSOC veteran himself, was arrested for the murder of two ISI agents, but then released by the Pakistani government after a suspicious hue and cry by the State Department.
CIA Claims The New Al Qaeda Boss Lives in Waziristan
If the US needs a further pretext for additional raids, it will also be easy to cite the alleged presence in Waziristan of Saif al-Adel, now touted by the CIA as bin Laden’s likely successor as boss of al Qaeda.13 It is doubtless convenient for Obama’s aggressive intentions that Saif al-Adel can be claimed to reside so close to what is now the hottest border in the world, and not in Finsbury or Flatbush.
In the wake of the unauthorized May 1 US raid, the Pakistani military chief General Kayani had issued his own warning that similar “misadventures” could not be repeated, while announcing that US personnel inside Pakistan would be sharply reduced. In the estimate of one ISI source, there are currently about 7,000 CIA operatives in country, many of them unknown to the Pakistani government. US-Pakistan intelligence sharing has reportedly been downgraded. In response to Kayani’s moves, the CIA limited hangout operation known as Wikileaks once again showed its real nature by attempting to discredit the Pakistan commander with dubious US cable reports that he had demanded more Predator drone attacks, not fewer, in recent years.
Especially since Obama’s West Point speech, the CIA has used Predator drone attacks to slaughter civilians with the goal of fomenting civil war inside Pakistan, leading to a breakup of the country along the ethnic lines of Punjab, Sind, Baluchistan, and Pushtunistan. The geopolitical goal is to destroy Pakistan’s potential to be the energy corridor between Iran and China. Selig Harrison has emerged as a top US advocate for Baluchistan succession.
Since May 1, six reported US Predator drones attacks have slain some 42 Pakistani civilians, goading public opinion into a frenzy of anti-US hatred. In response, a joint session of the Pakistani parliament voted unanimously on May 14 to demand an end to American missile strikes, calling on the government to cut NATO’s supply line to Afghanistan if the attacks should continue.14 Since the Karachi to Khyber Pass supply line carries as much as two thirds of the supplies needed by the Afghanistan invaders, such a cutoff would cause chaos among the NATO forces. All of this points to the inherent insanity of provoking war with the country your supply line runs through.
US Wants to Use Taliban Boss Mullah Omar Against Pakistan
The State Department dropped all preconditions for negotiating with the Taliban back in February, and the US is now reported by the Washington Post to be talking with envoys of Mullah Omar, the legendary one-eyed leader of the Quetta Shura or Taliban ruling council. It is apparent that the US is offering the Taliban an alliance against Pakistan. US regional envoy Grossman is hostile to the Pakistanis, but when it comes to the Taliban he has been nicknamed “Mr. Reconciliation.”15 By contrast, the US is said to be determined to assassinate the head of the Haqqani network using a Bin Laden-type raid. The Pakistanis are equally determined to keep the Haqqani as an ally.
If China stands behind Pakistan, then Russia might be said to stand behind China. Looking forward to the upcoming June 15 meeting of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, Chinese President Hu praised Sino-Russian relations as being “at an unprecedented high point,” with an “obvious strategic ingredient.” In a press conference this week, Russian President Medvedev was obliged indirectly to acknowledge that the much-hyped Obama “reset” with Russia had amounted to very little, since the US ABM missile program in Romania and the rest of eastern Europe, so obviously directed against Russia, means that the START treaty is of dubious value, thus raising the specter of a “new Cold War.” Given the NATO assault on Libya, there would be no UN resolution against Syria, said Medvedev. Putin has been right all along, and Medvedev is trying to imitate Putin to salvage some chance of remaining in power.
Are We in July 1914?
The crisis leading to World War I began with the Sarajevo assassinations of June 28, 1914, but the first major declaration of war did not occur until August 1. In the interim month of July 1914, large parts of European public opinion retreated into a dreamlike trance, an idyllic la-la land of elegiac illusion, even as the deadly crisis gathered momentum. Something similar can be seen today. Many Americans fondly imagine that the alleged death of Bin Laden marks the end of the war on terror and the Afghan War. Instead, the Bin Laden operation has clearly ushered in a new strategic emergency. Forces which had opposed the Iraq war, from MSNBC to many left liberals of the peace movement, are variously supporting Obama’s bloody aggression in Libya, or even celebrating him as a more effective warmonger than Bush-Cheney because of his supposed success at the expense of Bin Laden. In reality, if there were ever a time to mobilize to stop a new and wider war, this is it.
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huh…indian cow urine drinkers…we are your masters you dirty indians..for centuries…have you 4gotten your forfathers baber,ghaznavi,ghaurii..we have rules you and we will in the future..so do not worry..history will repeat itself..we love shahadth.it brings us a new immortal life while hell fire is waiting for you you cowards..DIRTY INDIANS
@Profit: This is where the problem lies Profit! You are seeing the side of the story you want to see and I am seeing the side that I want to! Now as for proving there is God or not I can’t do that I am no prophet or a sacred man! I was a born Muslim but I never practiced it fully till now and even at times while praying I used to wonder that where is God? Is he even there? but now when im 21 things are unraveling! I don’t see anything but that belief just keeps me hopeful atleast and when i pray i don’t go like hey God if you are there prove me this prove me that or that I want that and i want that! I just get some time to reflect on myself! if i do that 5 times a day i just realize how much immoral acts or moral acts ive done in the past freaking our and when that realization comes I tell you that is when fear creeps in! And you sense that there are much powerful things in this world than man! The day a man can overturn tsunamis I will gladly accept that there is no God but till that day I can’t risk it lol!:p I know its hard to believe in God when you can’t see anything but dude if you can’t see air why the fuck are you using it to breathe? if you can’t see pain why the hell are you feeling it? and I attest to the fact that religion bounds you from thinking out of the box! I don’t know about other religions but in Islam it was made quite clear that this world is a testing place more of jail!! you can’t do what you want to! if you can show you have self0-control then even smallest of your whims will be granted later! its just like to pass an exam you fucking got to study you can’t pass it by just throwing the book away! And as they say ‘Truth is stranger than fiction’ and i am a staunch believer of that line! this shit seems illogical to the core! i admit it but something in me tells me there is more to it then just praying or as westerners think killing people! if taliban take up arms wearing cowboy hats i wont go around saying hey those texas cowboys are so freaking dangerous they are terrorists! terrorists couldnt have just run naked so they took up an image! and we clowns just instead of using our brains just bound ourselves to think and judge by what we see! and that saying that eyes can be deceiving has led this world to the brink of war and destruction! and i have to study so ill discuss the history part tommorow probably! cheers have a good day!:)
Yeah!,the right of return.
And since you talk of India and Israel in the same breath,actually you are taught from childhood to talk that way,here’s another hard fact,India might have a large army,might have connection but what about Israel? during the Yon Kippur war they were not even supported by U.S.A. for fear of reprisal by the Soviet Union during the cold war.Israel single handedly defeated Egypt,Saudi Arabia,Lebanon,Palestinian Authorities,Iraq,Syria and by the end of the war controlled the entire Sinai Peninsula from Egypt and Golan Heights from Syria.So while every Islamic state was shouting about throwing every Jew into the red sea,after this war where Israelis were outnumbered,the whole islamic world was caught red faced.And before the war Israelis had agreed to hand over territory to Palestinians.As far as Pakistanis are concerned,here’s another deal.Are you guys Arabs,Turks or Afghans? no? then what were you before you became Muslims,I’ll tell you. You were those Hindus who were cowards and who couldn’t face the invader and converted to Islam just to save their ass,you were nothing but slaves of the Arabs and Turks,those who continued remaining Hindus like Rajputs and fought for liberation were the real warriors in South Asia,one ethnic reason why you can’t win wars with India.And to showcase the obsession Pakistan has with India,here another example,all your nuclear missiles are named after muslim invaders Ghauri,Ghazni and Babar while all the nuclear weapons in India are named after elements agni,akash,prithvi.You live in your glorious past not realizing your ancestors were the ones who succumbed to the invading forces just for the fear of the sword and quickly converted to the invading army’s religion.That history is not your history but Afghan’s history,Turks history or Arab’s history and by the end of it you couldn’t turn this region into a part of the Ummah because the invading armies shat in their pants when it came to fighting the Rajputs,Khokhars,Marathas,Sikhs.That’s the compromise they had to make after crossing the indus and coming across the Rajputs,even Muhammad Ibn Kasim burnt down villages and kidnapped the princesses of Sindh,to tell you the truth they were Sindhis,as Pashtuns had a rich civilization of Buddhism and Punjab was part of Aryavarta.You belong to those races,you belong to those ethnicities not to the ethnicity of Muhammad Ibn Kasim.
Imran don’t you forget that once the Afghan war was over,your government still used these tribals and jihadis as weapons against India which in turn meant they had to be indoctrinated inconsistently,the result now they help out every islamic terrorist organization in the world,your own government,your army cannot rein in on them,and then those who indoctrinated them now have a large set of sympathizers who continue supporting them afterall that’s what they were trained to do.There is always some Pakistani connection whenever a terrorist attack happens anywhere in the world these days.India is no longer your enemy,your very own Jihadis are.You can harp as much as you want about U.S. India Israel what a coincidence everyone out in the world is out to exploit poor poor humble Pakistan.And by the end of it how many suicide bombers in your country happen to be Indians,Americans,Israelis or British? What you sow,you shall reap.Pakistan is no longer a stable state.And since you talk of Kashmir,I would suggest type in Kashmiri Pandits Genocide 1990.Carried out by Islamic fundees supported by Pakistan which resulted in the Indian Army moving into Kashmir.So stop whining about India and Israel.Israel on the other hand before Yon Kippur War was giving away all the regions that Palestine claimed and the result there were several islamic nations in the middle east talking about wiping Israel of the map and throwing every Jew into the red sea.What do you expect flowers from the Israelis.Hiding your crimes won’t help you for long.
Osama at least they bow to statues,rather that praise a child molester,and it’s more like an insurance policy you are using.If you die and there turns out to be God,it’s like saying if you blind folded cross the street just to see whether you have an accident.Actually how come there are so many religions,everyone believes in God,some in statues and some in Prophets,some in Avatars,some in the Father Son and the Holy Ghost,if you look carefully,do you think there actually is God? if so then prove it!And anyhow if God exists,is he stupid enough to create atheists as well? “Is God willing to prevent evil but not able? then he is not omnipotent,is he able but not willing,then he is malevolent,is he both able and willing,then whence commeth evil,is he neither able nor willing,then why call him God?”-Epicurus 33 A.D. “If people are good only because they fear punishment,and hope for a reward,then we are a sorry lot indeed.”-Albert Einstein,German-born American Physicist “The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession,I could never give assent to the long,complicated statements of Christian dogma”-Abraham Lincoln,U.S. President “The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one.”-George Bernard Shaw,Irish-born English playwright(1866-1960). “All thinking men are atheists.”-Ernest Hemingway,American author “I was born a heretic.I always distrust people who know so much about what God wants them to do to their fellows.”-Susan B. Anthony,American Suffragist(1820-1906). “Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise.”-James Madison,U.S. President. “Religion is just mind control.”-George Carlin,comedian. Faith means not wanting to know what is true. – Friedrich Nietzsche.We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes. – Gene Roddenberry.To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains premature today. – Isaac Asimov.A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows. – Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain).Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. – Seneca the Younger.Not only is there no god, but try getting a plumber on weekends. – Woody Allen.If I were not an atheist, I would believe in a God who would choose to save people on the basis of the totality of their lives and not the pattern of their words. I think he would prefer an honest and righteous atheist to a TV preacher whose every word is God, God, God, and whose every deed is foul, foul, foul. – Isaac Asimov.Belief in the supernatural reflects a failure of the imagination. – Edward Abbey.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. – Steven Weinberg.I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence. – Doug McLeod.The world holds two classes of men – intelligent men without religion, and religious men without intelligence. – Abu’l?Ala al Ma’arri.I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires. – Susan B. Anthony.The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike. – Delos B. McKown.Atheism leaves a man to sense, to philosophy, to natural piety, to laws, to reputation; all of which may be guides to an outward moral virtue, even if religion vanished; but religious superstition dismounts all these and erects an absolute monarchy in the minds of men. – Francis Bacon.The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. – Richard Dawkins.A God who kept tinkering with the universe was absurd; a God who interfered with human freedom and creativity was tyrant. If God is seen as a self in a world of his own, an ego that relates to a thought, a cause separate from its effect. he becomes a being, not Being itself. An omnipotent, all?knowing tyrant is not so different from earthly dictators who make everything and everybody mere cogs in the machine which they controlled. An atheism that rejects such a God is amply justified. – Karen Armstrong.It is not as in the Bible, that God created man in his own image. But, on the contrary, man created God in his own image. – Ludwig Feuerbach.All the biblical miracles will at last disappear with the progress of science. – Matthew Arnold.Be thankful that you have a life, and forsake your vain and presumptuous desire for a second one. – Richard Dawkins.What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. – Christopher Hitchens.In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point. – Friedrich Nietzsche.It will yet be the proud boast of women that they never contributed a line to the Bible. – George W. Foote.I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. – Stephen Roberts.You do not need the Bible to justify love, but no better tool has been invented to justify hate. – Richard A. Weatherwax.What’s “God”? Well, you know, when you want something really bad and you close your eyes and you wish for it? God’s the guy that ignores you. – Steve Buscemi (From the movie “The Island”).As far as I can tell from studying the scriptures, all you do in heaven is pretty much just sit around all day and praise the Lord. I don’t know about you, but I think that after the first, oh, I don’t know, 50,000,000 years of that I’d start to get a little bored. – Rick Reynolds.Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color. – Don Hirschberg.God should be executed for crimes against humanity. – Bryan Emmanuel Gutierrez.To say that atheism requires faith is as dim-witted as saying that disbelief in pixies or leprechauns takes faith. Even if Einstein himself told me there was an elf on my shoulder, I would still ask for proof and I wouldn’t be wrong to ask. – Geoff Mather.I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. – Mark Twain.Of all religions the Christian is without doubt the one which should inspire tolerance most, although up to now the Christians have been the most intolerant of all men. – Voltaire.And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence. – Bertrand Russell.Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? – Epicurus.I’m a polyatheist – there are many gods I don’t believe in. – Dan Fouts.If it turns out that there is a God, I don’t think that he’s evil. But the worst that you can say about him is that basically he’s an underachiever. – Woody Allen.A lie is a lie even if everyone believes it. The truth is the truth even if nobody believes it. – David Stevens.Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a God superior to themselves. Most Gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child. – Robert A Heinlein.I refuse to prove that I exist,” says God, “for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing. – Douglas Adams.It ain’t the parts of the Bible that I can’t understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand. – Mark Twain.He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. – William Drummond.Remember, Jesus would rather constantly shame gays than let orphans have a family. – Steven Colbert.Religion does three things quite effectively: Divides people, Controls people, Deludes people. – Carlespie Mary Alice McKinney.When a man is freed of religion, he has a better chance to live a normal and wholesome life. – Sigmund Freud.They felt that science would be corrosive to religious belief and they were worried about it. Damn it, I think they were right. It is corrosive to religious belief and it’s a good thing. – Steven Weinberg.Take from the church the miraculous, the supernatural, the incomprehensible, the unreasonable, the impossible, the unknowable, the absurd, and nothing but a vacuum remains. – Robert G. Ingersoll
History teaches us that no other cause has brought more death than the word of god. – Giulian Buzila
Atheism is a non-prophet organization. – George Carlin
We are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further. – Richard Dawkins
Animals do not have gods, they are smarter than that. – Ronnie Snow
I have observed that the world has suffered far less from ignorance than from pretensions to knowledge. It is not skeptics or explorers but fanatics and ideologues who menace decency and progress. No agnostic ever burned anyone at the stake or tortured a pagan, a heretic, or an unbeliever. – Daniel Boorstin
I have never seen the slightest scientific proof of the religious ideas of heaven and hell, of future life for individuals, or of a personal God. So far as religion of the day is concerned, it is a damned fake… Religion is all bunk. – Thomas Edison
Fundamentalism, of any type, due to its prerequisite lack of intelligent thought, could prove to be the worst weapon of mass destruction, of all. – David J. Constable
To really be free, You need to be free in the mind. – Alexander LoutsisReligion is the opiate of the masses. – Karl Marx
If God created the world, then who created god? and who created whoever created god? So somewhere along the line something had to just be there. So why can’t we just skip the idea of god and go straight to earth? – Ryan Hanson
If we expect God to subscribe to one religion at the exclusion of all the others, then we should expect damnation as a matter of chance. This should give Christians pause when expounding their religious beliefs, but it does not. – Sam Harris
Man has always required an explanation for all of those things in the world he did not understand. If an explanation was not available, he created one. – Jim Crawford
I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world. – Richard Dawkins
What has been Christianity’s fruits? Superstition, Bigotry and Persecution. – James Madison
The characters and events depicted in the damn bible are fictitious. Any similarity to actual persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental. – Penn and Teller
If god is the alpha and the omega. The begining and the end, knows what has passed and what is to come, like it states in the bible, why do people pray and think it will make any difference. – Mark Fairclough
The inspiration of the bible depends on the ignorance of the person who reads it. – Robert G. Ingersoll
When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion. – Robert Pirsig
I wonder who got the shit job of scouring the planet for the 15000 species of butterfly or the 8800 species of ant they eventually took on board Noah’s Ark. But at least we got that magical rainbow for all their trouble. – Azura Skye.Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make when in the presence of religious dogma. – Sam Harris
I don’t believe in God because I don’t believe in Mother Goose – Clarence Darrow
No philosophy, no religion, has ever brought so glad a message to the world as this good news of Atheism. – Annie Wood Besant
I refuse to believe in a god who is the primary cause of conflict in the world, preaches racism, sexism, homophobia, and ignorance, and then sends me to hell if I’m ‘bad’. – Mike Fuhrman
Faith does not give you the answers, it just stops you asking the questions. – Frater Ravus
Believing there is no God gives me more room for belief in family, people, love, truth, beauty, sex, Jell-o, and all the other things I can prove and that make this life the best life I will ever have. – Penn Jillette.
An atheist is a man who has no invisible means of support. – John Buchan
Gods dont kill people. People with Gods kill people. – David Viaene
If God were suddenly condemned to live the life which He has inflicted upon men, He would kill Himself. – Alexandre Dumas.
“There are no atheists in foxholes” isn’t an argument against atheism, it’s an argument against foxholes. – James Morrow
People will then often say, ‘But surely it’s better to remain an Agnostic just in case?’ This, to me, suggests such a level of silliness and muddle that I usually edge out of the conversation rather than get sucked into it. (If it turns out that I’ve been wrong all along, and there is in fact a god, and if it further turned out that this kind of legalistic, cross-your-fingers-behind-your-back, Clintonian hair-splitting impressed him, then I think I would choose not to worship him anyway.) – Douglas Adams
P.S. @Profit and New World Order: If you guys find peace in demeaning others religious beliefs then I pity you and your rational reasonable and ‘fastest growing denomination anywhere in the world’!!! Its really easy to criticize us Muslims but have you ever thought about Indians…they bow to statues!!! i mean guys lets be realistic and logical! A statue can’t even move itself can it? and you expect it to bring you luck! And guyssss I believe in religion only because if i die and there is no God then no worries but if i die and I do confront God then i am fucked so i say just believe so that you have both sides covered!:) cheers!
I was more interested in the headline when I started reading this news but as soon as I reached the bottom I realized nuclear wars aside, the war of words was gaining momentum and thought I would share some thoughts too!
Firs of all i would like to ask all my Indian friends/enemies whatever YOU want to be, that I admit we haven’t beaten you in any war or may not be able to stand against your large army! But as you guys are asking us to be ‘logical’ lets BE logical! compare the size, population, resources and allies and you are smart enough to figure out we are way beyond in all respect yet we have stood there in front of you in two wars knowing we don’t stand a chance1 we might not have won the war but we had the courage to fight with an enemy far greater than us and I actually thank India for being there! nothing could’ve made us the seventh largest and one of the best armies in the world if it wasn’t for India! All the nukes ans all were thanks to India! If they hadn’t made them why would have we?:p And to all my US friends/enemies again what YOU want to be! I am sure America is doing great in Libya and Sudan and Afghanistan! But what about Kashmir and Palestine…why are there no soldiers deployed there? Why the freaking double standards???? If you can stop these fucking Muslim tyrants then why not the Indian tyrants? why not the Israeli tyrants? Lets be logical guys! Don’t you think so? Lets get rid of all the tyrants for a peaceful world! eliminate the Taliban eliminate Kashmir violence eliminate Palestine violence and we will have peace simple as that! But where the complex situation comes is that Muslim hatred is more of a retaliation to USA’s double standards that i just pointed out! and I personally haven’t been able to decipher the reason behind Western hatred!
Cheers!
Both India and Pakistan suck.
Indian pussies just get ur muth shut……the bigst terror of the world r usa nd indin fuckr….they usd pakistan for thz shit..,
Well this is to Imran’s statement,societies which tend to leave more to supernatural powers tend not to succeed in anything,they do so just to hide their own failures.That sums it up.Pakistan is a failed state and pretty soon will turn into another de facto province of China.You can live in your fantasy land,but remember the ground reality shows otherwise,Pakistan has created a monster it cannot control now.The whole world is now claiming Pakistan is turning into a failed state and many are looking into new details that yes Pakistan was the epicenter of Islamic terrorism and still is.If Pakistan claims to be a victim of terrorism,it goes like this,if you smoke,you will end up with lung cancer,if the world claims they suffered because of passive smoking due to your addiction with cigarettes does not change the fact,you smoked,now you will choke.Nothing can be done about it now.
In response to New World Order says:
26/05/2011 at 7:31 pm
What soever you say at the end of the end of the Day Supernatural Power (That is God) is the ultimate game planner. The rest is just rubbish. We are hearing this terminology of so called failed state from around 20 years, since we became Nuclear Power, but till day we are Pakistan.
Regarding the becoming China de facto state, at least they wont cheat as other Ally’s.
Regarding your smoking, take it this way, go manufactured this product of CIgerrate. so he who manufacture it will end me cancer.
So you made the ciggerate and now have to suffer. And what soever is going at our end that is only because of the USA policy of getting Russia out of Afganistan, and manufacturing these miltinats Jihadi’s.
So better correct your history. And try to qoute some good examples.
Sabih,I am an atheist,that’s the fastest growing denomination anywhere in the world as far as I know.Rationalism and Reason are the hallmarks of an evolving society leaving away theories from the dark ages and from a time when they could not be scientifically substantiated including the theory that there is God,some imaginary dictator whom you can outsource your problems for them not to be solved or any other theory and every uncertainty was to be given a philosophical answer since it could not be proved,hence religion.Religion has outlived it’s purpose since so many answers are coming out now which completely contradict all the World’s religions. but yes these things are authenticated,Ayesha and Fatima,one was a minor the other daughter in law of your prophet.If there are such discrepancies in your religion including these and including the fact that it can so easily be exploited by any fundamentalist and Islam is indeed peaceful then your religion is flawed and if it is flawed in certain ways then how can the rest be right.Goes for all religions.The only thing that is going to destroy Pakistan is Islam
If the U.S. is to go to war with China, now is the time to do it. The us can easily kick China’s ass right now, but won’t be able to in another 10-15 years.
Keep the NEW WORLD ORDER with yourself Man,…. there is only 1 WORLD ORDER… AND THE BOSS IS GOD. THATS IT…. WHEN THAT BOSS DECIDE SOMETHING, THE NEW WORLD ORDER CANT STAND TO ANY CYCLONE AS WELL, SO THINK ABOUT BIG THAN CYCLONE. SO BE PRACTICAL AND GET OUT OF THIS HYPOTHITICAL GALL BLADDER.
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teletiger says:
25/05/2011 at 6:43 pm
I just had to say one thing…its not a stoneage, its 2011. Lets assume its a shadow. Find the source of the Light where its comming from and you can easily control the movement of Shadow… So please……
I too demand Americans get out of other countries and kill themselves,what use are they to us serving the Quabal?
Most Indians hate the homosexual Ghandi and would like reunification with Pakistan,Industan.
And Muhammad was a child molester????? Ayesha case anyone? In fact he f**ked his daughter in law too,Fatima case.Such a man should have got a kick on his face.What a bum he was,and then he claimed to be a prophet and see half of the islamic world ends up tying bombs on young children and asking them to blow themselves up for the sake of this shithead called Muhammad,piss be upon him.
It’s a pity u dont know what you’re talking about. just one of the programed minds. Read about Islam without any prejudice and misconception and I bet you will not finsh reading five books before you become a Muslim. If what u are saying really happend, then how come Islam, is the fastest growing religion in the world as we speak, how come thousands of people embraces Islam every single day? – and About Prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessings of the Almighty God Be Upon Him), according to eminant Christian scholars, is the greatest and the most influencial person in history. Encyclopedia Britannica says Muhammad(PBUH) is the most successful of all religious personalities. I doubt u are a christian. I thing u are a Jew (Zionist) because christians dont hate Islam in the way u do. Dont continue to live in that dark, read more about Islam and I am sure you will revert to Islam as a lot of your Jewish Rabbis have done over the years. I dont hate you but I hate your ignorance. Please sit up and shake yourslf off from those prejudice. Islam still invites you. lots of people who hated Islam than you died Muslims and for you its never late. Join the peaceful religion and stop the hatred. Accept Islam and be successful. Thank you
Hey you Mr. Profit Muhammad (Piss be upon him), why don’t you go bury your daughter alive like millions do in your country and continue adding to million female infanticides/year cases in India? Why don’t you go and burn your wives alive with their dead husbands? And before you get your screwed up facts about Prophet (Yes, that’s how it’s spelt!)Muhammad, Why don’t you go worship your stone gods and godesses with their animal faces and make your barren women sit on stone penis-shaped gods so they can have babies? Also, isn’t one of your scripture stories have five brothers sharing one woman and calls it lawful? It’s pathetic that someone who follows such a shamful and abhorant MAN-MADE religion should question any other religion, let alone Islam! As for “Profit Muhammad, Piss be upon him” comment, please first brush your teeth, because your mouth still has cow piss breath that you drank for your morning worship!
Mr fjan….i had no plan to come into this discussion BUT….
I think your parents or no one in your whole life tells you how to respect other and others religion. If i say the same words for your mother, your daughter..how will u feel. and you are from US wow…..most PEACE loving country..i think it can be PIECE loving not PEACE loving..
I Love Pakistani they are really really good people! F**k up oily Indians- they are dirty! :oops:
Bridget walk in the shoes of 9/11 plane hijackers then,if that is how you look at things,it’s an intellectual perspective,everyone should be kind to everyone else.Then whenever a terrorist attack happens on your country,just forgive the terrorists and send them flowers :) Tom,India is a secular country and not a muslim majority country,18% of India’s population is muslim whether shia or sunni,the rest are from other denominations,that is the main reason it is world’s largest democracy.Democracy,Secularism on one hand and Islam on the other,they don’t mix quite well together.I like Indian food too and surprisingly I like all kinds of food including Chinese.And anyhow I don’t think U.S.A. is going to get out of anywhere for a long long time.Well get out of any country you like,Islamic fundamentalists are taught in Madarssas in N.W.F.P and Punjab region of Pakistan to hate the West-Zionist-Indian combine.If they get their hands on nuclear weapons,it’s not just us,they’ll be blowing New York and Los Angeles to smithereens.Have you forgotten that 7/7 bombings,David Headley case in Chicago,most of the foreigners who end up in training camps in Pakistan go back and do all kinds of great stuff back to their home countries.Pakistan provides the Jihadi literature and the infrastructure to majority of the Islamic fundamentalist networks worldwide,earlier their terrorism business was just confined to India and Afghanistan but for that purpose they created a monster they themselves cannot control now,their entire state apparatus is confused because they themselves were great patrons of Islamic Jihadi terrorism and now many of their own people in the machinery continue supporting them.I am sorry to say you guys don’t watch a lot of news,I think you should.And I won’t suggest that you stick to Pakistani news channel or Chinese ones,go for more authentic news channels and sites,BBC being one.Well A.Q. Khan network showed they are capable of proliferating nuclear weapons so if tomorrow someone shouts Allah O Akbar and blows himself us at Times Square and brings whole of New York down,then you will elect a new President or ask your Senators to do something.
I think the USA should get out of ALL countries overseas and let them just kill themselves. Such a crazy world! Sunni’s bomb Shiite’s and Shiite’s bomb Sunni’s and everybody just full of hate. I do like Indian food though. I could eat it every night.
wow….do people really have that much pride for their country? I forgot what it was like to see nationalism. Makes me happy that people care that much, but it doesn’t make me have faith in humanity when there are people, who don’t even know each other, fighting over stupid non-sense and then going further as to slandering one another. What happened to nationalism among the world? We should be helping each other instead of fighting who is better or who knows better or who has the best opinion. No one cares about that. Just learn to walk in other people’s shoes and then maybe, you’ll have an actual understanding about what’s important. :!:
We know more about the life in the deep oceans than we know about China.
Thay suffered the predations of Jewish bankers last century,that’s about it.
And now the China bankers are preying on the USA.
One of the countries that I admire the most is Vietnam,two superpowers attacked it in a short duration,both were defeated.U.S. and after a few years China,both armies lost badly even though they were technologically,economically and in numerical strength far more powerful than Vietnam,and both these nations lost to it.The way to counter Pakistan is to join hands with the new Afghan Government,make our presence stronger there,one way to contain China is to recognize the state of Taiwan and join hands with the South Koreans and Japanese to surround China and North Korea.India should recognize the nation-states of Baluchistan,Sindhudesh,Pashtunistan,Gilgit-Baltistan in our western frontier and recognize the Tibetan Government In Exile,Taiwan,Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia in eastern frontier and have better relations with Japan,South Korea,Taiwan in the East and Afghanistan and Iran in the West.A Shia Iran and the new government of Afghanistan would turn out to be the best buffer against Pakistan.India needs to heavily invest in Vietnam,if China is surrounding us in the Indian ocean,Vietnam would be out gateway to the South China Sea.During the 62′ war with China one Chinese general said that the next morning he would have breakfast in Darjeeling and lunch in Calcutta.Well now let’s make sure the Tibetans open the gates of troy and we end up having evening tea in Shanghai and dinner in Beijing. Both Pakistan and China are regimented societies,instill poison wherever necessary,destabilize the rural areas in the eastern provinces of China,Pakistan would implode because of it’s past policies,not much intervention is needed there except for having better relations with Afghanistan and surrounding it on all frontiers.China is the issue,it is undemocratic and if the idea of freedom penetrates that society,it will fall like a pack of cards.we know Pakistan is overtly obsessed and hostile about India,their foreign policy starts with India and ends with India,they are a menace.In fact their very existence depends on having India as an enemy.China on the other hand is far more diplomatic about it 62′ they were shouting India China Bhai Bhai,next moment they carried out an attack leading to a full scale war.Recently they are creating roads near the Indo Tibetan Border,the old game of Checker strategy that started in 62′ is happening again,either this is a kind of threat they are giving or else they are now just flexing their muscles,if it is to happen again and one reason would be both India and China are vying for world markets and reach the top,it might get bloody when it does only Pakistan would jump into the bandwagon,as far as other countries are concerned,I don’t think anyone would come.Three Nuclear Armed States,Two fastest rising economies, with the second and third largest armed forces in the world,two completely different ideologies hostile to each other,now that would be a soap opera straight from a noir film with everything in place and all the members fighting to become the next godfather.There was this joke that England is the 51st state of U.S.A,Similarly Pakistan is slowly turning into another province of China,India’s biggest headache in the future is going to be China.Pakistan is nothing but a spoiled brat.China is far more suave,sophisticated and cunning.most of south asia has also sold out to China,they are silent when it comes to choosing between India and China,one country gets really bugged with China,it’s Japan,the other is South Korea.And Russia had a border skirmish with them,they are not hostile but skeptical about China,they still keep them as an insurance policy against the west,Russia has been India’s long standing ally,we need to woo them better.And Japan,Taiwan and South Korea are our best bet,U.S. not that much,it can carry out wars in third word and under-developed countries but Russia China India these are places,if war breaks out they will back out.This is the new epicenter of world power struggles for domination.U.S. would not come here but most probably it would support India covertly.They don’t much like the Chinese as well.First and foremost,India should recognize the state of Taiwan.
Some of the articles which show Pakistan is a terrorist state and a failed state too and this is not an Indian new site….
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13507767
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13506041
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13318673
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4964934.stm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13272009
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13191241
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13038060
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13085776
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2011/05/24/exp.piers.morgan.musharraf.war.cnn?iref=allsearch
All these sites clearly show what perception is there about Pakistan in the world.Pakistan will implode within the next decade or two into a very messy situation for everyone not just Pakistanis and that includes Indians,Americans or Chinese.
Baluchistan is a free nation oppressed under the brutal regime of Sunni Punjabi Pakistan,just like Bangladesh was earlier Balooch people face tremendous human rights violations and are exploited by the state of Pakistan.Minorities don’t have any rights in Pakistan whether they be Hindus,Sikhs,Christians Ahmayddiyas.The whole world now knows that from 26/11 Mumbai,to 7/7 London to many of the terrorist activities around the world have been conducted by the Pakistani or in clear terms the Sunni Punjabi regime of Pakistan.It is imperative that to secure a peaceful world,nations of Sindhudesh,Baluchistan,Gilgit-Baltistan and Pashtunistan should be freed from the oppressive regime of the imperialist Sunni Punjabis.Abbotabad showed that no nation apart from Pakistan is now the epicenter of world terrorism,it is the global terrorism factory.It is a failed state and the only way to secure it is for it to disintegrate and be taken over by U.S. and allied forces.we need to secure the freedom of the Balooch people and from Baluchistan we can move on to working for the freedom of the rest of the regions like Sindhudesh and Pashtunistan.Sunni Punjabi region which controls the rest of the country by sheer will and imperialist attitude should be taken over by allied forces so as to minimize terror threats around the world.After Osama Bin Laden has been found to be hiding near a military base in Pakistan for so long,and the recent attack by taliban forces in a highly secure military installation in Karachi,it is imperative that the nuclear arsenal of Pakistan is not safe and must be secured as soon as possible by U.S. and NATO forces.Pakistan is going to implode without any need for intervention within the next decade or two and end up being another Afghanistan but it can prove a mess for everyone else until active intervention is done to quickly bring an end to Punjabi imperialism and their entire machinery which promotes islamic terrorism and exports it around the world.
Dear Brother
You are right! I support you!
Jai Ho!
@run
Thank you all. Really thank you. I have laughed this hard in ages. this is the first time I have found a thread of people more vitriolic and venomous then the trolls over at 4chan. There they do it because they think its funny; you people all really believe what you are saying. That being said having looked for more about this subject and cant seem to find any mention of anything like this at all. Oh and BTW whom ever is the editor of this paper really needs to at least get a spell checker if not a hire a few fact checkers.
What I find funny is regardless of what the general populous thinks, the government is going to do what it wants. Pakistan can be mad at India and vise versa but what’s really the point? It’s not the average citizens fault that the government gave money to a terrorist organization or supported a terrorist group. Besides that, the only difference between you guys is a thin imaginary line. Given the right circumstances, you all would think alike.
gud article..!gives the tongue to masses!
Imran,
see above.
We are fighting shadows. Know who the real enemy is.
It’s not your brothers. Can borders or religion really divide us? Both are creations to do just that. Don’t fall into that trap.
Now cricket…that’s a different story, right?
Peace brothers.
Regards.
Whatsoever the plannings are by Indian, USA Irael etc etc, we still are surviving at our best and will survive InshaAllah, no matter happens. These kind of coward acts wont disintigrate us. And we as a Pakistani are brave enough to bear much more than this. We start start shouting like cowards, like the other Indian, Americans or Israeli’s do, by blamming others. And starting cry like 1 month baby. What soever thats going around us, that is getting us strong enough 1000000000000% more.
We pakistani will fight first, then we will allow our Armed forces to come ti the Play Ground. Till now and further we will be brave enough to bear any aagression. so Thanks Almighty Allah, and give us more Strength.
This was written by a world class crank, the author is Webster Tarpley who is an american born conspiracy theory nutter, his self proclaimed PhD is unsubstantiated and his so called journalism reads like a poorly written overzealous propaganda release for anyone who isn’t the US (which is basically his bag). The writing isn’t bad because english isn’t his first language or it’s been translated, it’s just written that poorly. Like all good alarmists and conspiracy nutters there’s enough believable bullshit to make one briefly wonder, but there is no mention of China’s ultimatum anywhere else other than his same ‘article’ being regurgitated by pseudo news sites with poor fact checking and foreign news outlets with specific interest in it’s subject matter regardless of it’s veracity, it’s something that at least one major reputable news source would run with but I see none. This guy is wholly and completely untrustworthy as a credible journalist. Whoever greenlighted this article for press without attributing it or fact checking it should be ashamed for the disservice to his readers who should be able to rely on a news services for journalistic integrity. Apparently Fox news doesn’t have the market cornered on shoddy reporting, sensationalism, and alarmism as a mechanism to drive readership.
I see they have the CIA on here trying to fill up the comments with a bunch of nonsense. Yes, Wikileaks is CIA, and so is Anonymous. Deal with it.
Firstly, the Indian or two here exposes, as usual, their massive inferiority complex and fascist mindset (although I know some wise and actually peace-loving Indians, of whom there’s apparently a dearth of!!).
These “highly educated” Indians reveal their “wonderful” “academic” skills (too) via the “fine” English that they “dish out” here!! Coming to the main point, these “hyper-active” Indians should worry more about their right-wing extremist/fascist establishment’s adventurism in the region!! Stop the terrorist or hegemonic interference in the “smaller” neighbors, like Pakistan, Sri Lanka, etc. Stop aiding and abetting terrorists or terrorist activities in Balochistan and the Frontier province! The rest, what transpires regarding the Pak-China relationships shouldn’t be much of these fascists concerns anyways, as they have a myriad of EXTREME domestic issues to take care of!
Vasi,
who are you talking to? The Indian people, or their government? The vast majority of the Indian people would not know what you are talking about. They would be concerned about your animosity. Concerned for you and your welfare. This type of animosity is not good for the human spirit. Your spirit.
You think they are your enemy? have you ever lived in India? among the real people of India? Could a Westerner tell you apart? They are your brothers and don’t you let any money grabbing media mogul, or cock sucking politican tell you different. We can all think for ourselves…it just takes a small effort. Don’t be sucked into the “club” unless you want to. Thinking for ourselves takes a little work, but the rewards are outstanding. Really.
Regards.
@VeGeta BULLSHIT ur just a Trolling , i think it got you turned on son of a bitch.
Make a rule of making sensible comments and NEVER lose track of the topic. Keep your temper under control so that instead of using abusive language, you may come out with more strong reasoning to support your point of view O:)
Look at you all fighting and not seeing this for what it really is. First of all some of the people here may be planted to stir this trouble secondly, any war killing innocent people is terror and these people would live in harmony if you people were not so easily brainwashed.
‘And will they ever realize TPO. We are all brothers. I’m English. You are my Pakistani and Indian brothers.
Your children are my children. I will give my life for them. Same as my own children. Look in your heart. We ARE the human population. Our shackles are just mist. If only we could all realize.
This shit is here to divide us.
Peace between us brothers.
Kindest regards
when are pakistanis and indians going to realise how stupid this rivialry is! Every one slagging India or pakistan off are reallt stupid, we are pretty much the same people. There are certain ethnic groups that are only in India and not in pakistan and maybe one or two small ethnic groups in India not in pakistan. The sooner both groups realise that the only thing dividing SOME Indians from Pakistanis is relgion. Ultimatly are culture is so similar, we look simialr. We should learn to leave our problems behind us, and with the Kashmir issues, i think we should leave it up to them what they want. Peace
political comment
Labeling yourself Secular will not make you secular; BTW this forum is not active enough to waste my energy.
Yet still you do.
Regards.
India a Secular State; come on as this is not a humor forum off course.
What more can anyone expect from a “history and social sciences” student of pakistan anyway???
Ur knowledge is highly justified.
I’m still waiting for ur adventure story!!!How r u still alive???Please post it
There is an old saying, ‘EVERY DOG HAS IT’S DAY. DON’T BE IMPATIENT, YOUR DAY WILL ALSO COME’ :-D
Genious I was trying to convey that India is a secular and nt a Hindu state like u were claiming…You should be knowing this fact as u r a “history and social sciences” student
India is a secular state like the US the torch bearer of liberty. Stop these hypocritical slogans. If a country proclaims as an ‘ISLAMIC REPUBLIC’, at least that country is not being HYPOCRITICAL.It is the HYPOCRISY which is the ENEMY OF HUMANITY and NOT THE TERRORISM.If HYPOCRISY is eliminated, whether it be in politics or in religion, be rest assured all the world miseries will come to an end.
But the question is whether is it possible? Won’t it be wishing against some thing which is in-born in human psychic?
Don’t worry about us; we are in enough numbers to die for the country and you may continue funding terrorists as always until the whole world will know who are actual terrorists. The world is waking up slowly but surely they will come to know who is behind all this; you may continue replying however I would be only back to give you reply tomorrow as I have more productive things to do than discussing thing with closed eye morons.
Oh so u got a life?????
So strange!!!!BTW dudeeee I’m still waiting for ur adventure story…
Where did I make any comment on Indian Muslim; well I am student of history and social sciences so my facts are quite straight and I know about the Muslims in India more than you do. India is doing great with Indian Muslims as well and incidents like Gujrat, Kashmir and too many other places are prime example for Indian glory.
I don’t mind dieing for Pakistan Dude; BTW this is not the only thing I do for living (I meant for replying to your stupid posts). You are trying for more than 65 years and now this is a new War where you don’t have courage to go on War openly so the easy way is to fund ignorant Taliban
Thats the best part I love about u guys….U guys think u r dying for ur country…..So funny man u guys r….Do continue these “Brave” acts of dying for ur country and very soon all the morons of this earth would be washed away!!!!!
Oh yeah. . .bin Laden died for his country. . .oh that’s right I forgot. . .he didn’t have a country. . .he just sat and looked at his porn while others died. . .
Well; you can’t even imagine about Pakistan while sitting in your slum. I know your capabilities and living standard very well so don’t get into this.
Oh u still alive??????????Strange
Please do share ur adevnture story with us…please????????
I guess you guys don’t have guts to read the whole article; it is you Indian creating these so called Pakistani Taliban by funding them to destabilize Pakistan. You will surely be disappointed; I know how literate, rich and peaceful real India is so don’t get into such discussion as I am not the one who just follow your mainstream media where everything is green. You guys might be from some slum as well like almost 70% Indian are.
Btw Javed I’m still laughing about ur last sentence..A pakistani talking about living conditions!!!Can’t get better than this!!
Hey can someone falg this comment as the funniest comment of the day????
A retard pakistani talking about the living conditions in India!!
Javed must have died by now from a bomb blast which is a routine activity and a part of daily living in Pakistan…..Dude can u please shed some light on how u still managed to live????It should be a nice adventure story….C’mon don’t be shy…Do share with us..
Whenever I read such stupid comment from any ignorant, idiot and stupid Indian; I only wonder if they really know India itself before started pointing fingers to others. I hate our Govt. and few people always trying to please India by having the stupid stuff like Aman Ki Asha and Aman Ka Chakka. This is a universal truth that Hindu can’t be trusted as friends so let’s be straight and accept that we are enemies and will remain enemies. In the last only one line for to thank China “Itne to hum apne nahi jinta hamara cheen hai”
So sad to see an ignorant,illeterate,fool…What best can we expect from a Pakistani anyway? Pakistan should be awarded a Copyright kind of thing for the stupids and morons it produces….Best quality morons!!!!!!!!
Genious….No wonder u donno that India has the third largest population of muslims in the world…Get ur basics right before u make such senseless statements
I proud of China friendship. China is our best friend so now the time we should differentiate the relationship of our friends and enemy because China is our best friend or America is not friend of Pakistan but also he is interfere the internal affair of Pakistan with the help of India and Afghanistan.Salute the China friendship he is our best, sincere, loyal and devoted friend.
Pak-China Friendship Zindabad :-D
Ok…What were u trying to convey anyway????
Trust the stupid indian to make an ignorant comment…China will always back us..get over it you bunch of morons!..
Osama Bid Laden helped Afghanistan from the Soviet Union. Osama Bid Laden died around 2001, he wasn’t not just recently killed. The whole story about the killing of Osama bin Laden was just for the US to go to Pakistan. Goodjob for China stopping US.
-Quarantine2012
Time to Disintegrate Pakistan like Germany after World War II:
As after World war 2nd! Allied Forces divided Nazi Germany West Germany and East Germany – to make it weak so that it never gathers power to be the cause of 3rd world war!
Similarly, NOW! is the right time to disintegrate terror structure in Pakistan! And also divide Pakistan into several small states, instead of strengthening it in the name of a partner in the War against terror. Mr. Obama you are aware with the nature of fundamentalist mind sets! They are not going to change for reasons best known to everybody! Within Last 64 years of its creation in 1947 Pakistan has emerged as a rouge sate that supports and nurtures and process home grown as well as imported terrorists of all sorts and is become a safe haven for them.
Any further delay or negligence will turn Pakistan into a deadly monster with nuclear power in the hands of Terrorist groups! And a potential and real threat to peace loving people of the world and USA in particular (Americans! they hate the most!).And this is the fact and ground reality, whether one accepts or not.As Chankya says-“There is poison in the fang of the serpent, in the mouth of the fly and in the sting of a scorpion; but the wicked man is saturated with it.”At the moment Paksitan is like that wicked man saturated with poison of Trerrorism in its body,heart and mind set!A real Terrorist Sate!-shameless, untrstworthy !And above all potentially most dangerous country for the World Peaece!
India should become a real partner with USA:
@run
You son of bitch Indian. Why Pakistan and not to India? What you respond on human rights violation in Kashmir, Mezzuram, Nagaland? If Pakistan a rouge state you are too.
Dear Brother!
try to be reasonable come out of your limited mindset and world View!Set aside your Pakistaniinferiority complex against Big Brother India! and its grateness of being oldest Cicilization and Culture!(of 5000-7000 year old as against pakistans 50 or 60 years only!of existance as a country!).A culture of world brother hood(and not Muslim!Brotherhood , Only!), Message of Peace and tolerance(and not of war and terrorism!like yours!)!
May God!(Allaha!if like to call!)Bless you and give reasonand intelligence to you and people like you power to see the world realities with an open,modern mind(and not fixed mind set of 700A.D!)and accept the Truth!(which isGod itself!)as it is!
Jai Ho!,Hale Mother Marry!Allahao Akbar!Jaishiya Ram!Bahe Guru kiFatheh,And JAI HO!Again
With Love and Best wishes!
@run
No wonder, your words and mind represent extreme mindset of Indian. What about Indian terrorism in Kashmir and some of its own states and infiltration into neighbors like Sri-Lanka, Bangladesh, Nepal to control them.
Please read it carefully:
“One way to provide the provocation needed to justify a US-Indian attack on Pakistan would be through an increase in terrorist actions attributable to the so-called Taliban. According to the mainstream Pakistani media, the CIA, the Israeli Mossad, and the Indian RAW (Research and Analysis Wing) have created their own version of the Taliban in the form of a terrorist countergang which they control and direct. According to one account, “Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) operatives have infiltrated the Taliban and Al-Qaeda networks, and have created their own Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) force in order to destabilize Pakistan.” The former Punjab Regional Commander of the Pakistani Inter-Service Intelligence (ISI), retired Brigadier General Aslam Ghuman, commented: “During my visit to the US, I learned that the Israeli spy agency Mossad, in connivance with Indian agency RAW, under the direct supervision of CIA, planned to destabilize Pakistan at any cost.”12 Was this countergang responsible for last week’s double bombing in Waziristan, which killed 80 paramilitary police?
According to the same account, Russian intelligence “disclosed that CIA contractor Raymond Davis and his network had provided Al-Qaeda operatives with chemical, nuclear and biological weapons, so that US installations may be targeted and Pakistan be blamed….” Davis, a JSOC veteran himself, was arrested for the murder of two ISI agents, but then released by the Pakistani government after a suspicious hue and cry by the State Department.”
The bottom line is that Muslims are being victimized and US is going on WAR on So Called Terrorism to capture Resources.
We Indians pity u Pakistani’s. Btw how can anyone live in a continuous state of fear of attack by terrorists all the time????How do u pakistanis manage that????The attacks on ur military base might have come as a shock to ur government as the ISI themselves have funded and bred these Jihadi organisations….Just wait and see entire Pakistan wiped off the World map!!!!!!
Mother fucker unlike u cow piss drinker gutter cockroaches scums we never fear… just one attack on mumbai and u ass lickers were crawling like worms even miles accross that scene… mutherfucker who says Pakistani’s fear death… we wont thats why we always face ur 10 times larger army(gay army) with courage,,, so for now….. GAY HIND
thats like living like a man u pussy, not under the bed or under you wifes or sisters veginas. Indians r bunch of pussies……..
Dear Brother please read My above reply!
With Love and Best wishes!
@run
Daer Borther!
Please Read the above reply!
With Love and Bets Wishes!
@run
Dear Borther!
Please Read the above reply!
With Love and Bets Wishes!
@run
“..real threat to peace loving people of the world and USA in particular..” Now thats funny. Americnas and peace-loving do not belong in the same sentence! We’re in six coutries blowing them to smithereens you moron-Libya, Yemen, Sudan, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq. We’re fucking war mongers. Maybe break up the USA into tiny little states so it wont be so powerful. Fucking stupid people!!
Gene… Like I just commented these fascists are alike! Better to ignore such insanely hate-filled comments, or if possible report them to be removed from respectable forums!
Yeah. How about 50 little states. Who’s the moron?
We aren’t in Yemen the “revolution” in Yemen was cooked up by the Muslim Brotherhood,We aren’t in Sudan the Dinka people have been the victims of genocide at the hands of Arabs from the north,The U.S. isn’t in Libya we are maintaining a no fly zone and if we were in Pakistan we would be running things and not wondering what they were doing with their Nukes..We’re war mongers Gene??You’re a god damn American if you hate the U.S. so much go live in Pakistan,hell I will buy your plane ticket…Indian people are some the finest people on the planet and from what I’ve seen,they are a people the United States needs more of…Gene when is the last time you heard of an Indian gang member committing a crime here,when is the last time you heard of a Hindi freaking out and murdering his daughter because she has become to westernized,when is the last time you heard a story of an Indian blowing up women and children??
You haven’t because it doesn’t happen…..
Fuck Pakistan,Fuck China and fuck every throw back 7th century sharia law loving hodgey…..Long live Israel,The United States and India…..
Dear Gene
If you don’t like the USA and the power that world gives it to intervene with Tyrannical leaders, then please pack your stuff and leave, We The People would be better off with out you and your uneducated background.
Why shouldn’t the US disintegrate India first, since it has a larger number of crazy-head separatists who want their own states? The way Christians and Muslims are treated in India, examples being what happened in Gujrat and several christians burned alive by your right-wing Hindus is shameful enough for a so-called, pseudo democracy that you guys flaunt in the face of the world. The hyprocry of nations like yours is pitiful!
the fact that the english and its spelling leaves a great deal to be desired does not inspire confidence in this wild and woolly scenario
that the writer sketches out. has he or she or they been chewing to much kat?
The English is bad?? Im sure your Chinese is on a par with whomever it is youre critizing. Im betting English is your first language and you cant even put a coherent thought together!
The article was written by an american born native english speaker, his criticism of it’s atrocious structure is valid.