Despite the refusal of the Secretary General of the Egyptian Supreme Council of Antiquities, Zahi Hawass, to release any DNA results which might indicate the racial ancestry of Pharaoh Tutankhamen, the leaked results reveal that King Tut’s DNA is a 99.6 percent match with Western European Y chromosomes.
The DNA test results were inadvertently revealed on a Discovery Channel TV documentary filmed with Hawass’s permission — but it seems as if the Egyptian failed to spot the giveaway part of the documentary which revealed the test results.
Hawass previously announced that he would not release the racial DNA results of Egyptian mummies — obviously because he feared the consequences of such a revelation.
On the Discovery Channel broadcast, which can be seen on the Discovery Channel website here, or if they pull it, on YouTube here, at approximately 1:53 into the video, the camera pans over a printout of DNA test results from King Tut.
Firstly, here is a brief explanation of the results visible in the video. It is a list of what is called Short Tandem Repeats (STRs).
STRs are repeated DNA sequences which are “short repeat units” whose characteristics make them especially suitable for human identification.
These STR values for 17 markers visible in the video are as follows:
DYS 19 – 14 (? not clear)
DYS 385a – 11
DYS 385b – 14
DYS 389i – 13
DYS 389ii – 30
DYS 390 – 24
DYS 391 – 11
DYS 392 – 13
DYS 393 – 13
DYS 437 – 14 (? not clear)
DYS 438 – 12
DYS 439 – 10
DYS 448 – 19
DYS 456 – 15
DYS 458 – 16
DYS 635 – 23
YGATAH4 – 11
What does this mean? Fortunately, a genius by the name of Whit Athey provides the key to this list. Mr Athey is a retired physicist whose working career was primarily at the Food and Drug Administration where he was chief of one of the medical device labs.
Mr Athey received his doctorate in physics and biochemistry at Tufts University, and undergraduate (engineering) and masters (math) degrees at Auburn University. For several years during the 1980s, he also taught one course each semester in the electrical engineering department of the University of Maryland. Besides his interest in genetic genealogy, he is an amateur astronomer and has his own small observatory near his home in Brookeville, MD.
He also runs a very valuable website called the “Haplogroup Predictor” which allows users to input STR data and generate the haplogroup which marks those STR data.
For those who want to know what a haplogroup is, here is a “simple” definition: a haplogroup is a group of similar haplotypes that share a common ancestor with a single nucleotide polymorphism (SNP) mutation.
Still none the wiser? Damn these scientists.
Ok, let’s try it this way: a haplotype is a combination of multiple specific locations of a gene or DNA sequence on a chromosome.
Haplogroups are assigned letters of the alphabet, and refinements consist of additional number and letter combinations, for example R1b or R1b1. Y-chromosome and mitochondrial DNA haplogroups have different haplogroup designations. In essence, haplogroups give an inisight into ancestral origins dating back thousands of years.
By entering all the STR data inadvertently shown on the Discovery video, a 99.6 percent fit with the R1b haplogroup is revealed.
The significance is, of course, that R1b is the most common Y-chromosome haplogroup in Europe reaching its highest concentrations in Ireland, Scotland, western England and the European Atlantic seaboard — in other words, European through and through.
So much for the Afro-centrists and others who have derided the very obvious northwestern European appearance of a large number of the pharonic mummies. It seems like March of the Titans was right after all…
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Ken
Your view is VERY racist – Egypt was founded by Arab Semitic, NOT, Indo European Aryan , Whites – Blacks had the ADVANCED civilizations of Nok, Dogan, and Tau – Seti Black tribes – there are many Black inventors (NO, not just changed an existing invention, but CREATED one- here, you can begin your research:
http://search.babylon.com/?q=black+inventors&tl=en&babsrc=conduit&ctid=CT1460988&SearchSource=2
On a “PURE” ethnic group – this produces a LIMITED genetic pool from inbreeding/incest- “replicative fading” of the genes occurs, much as a copy of a copy of a copy – gets much worse with each succession.Hybrid vigor generally, produces the best results. So much for your “pure” group – would eventually breed themselves out of existence – in 2,000-4,000 years, we will have a very homogeneous group of people. Until about 13,000 years ago, every one had dark hair, eyes, and skin – a genetic flaw changed this, giving different hair, eyes, and skin coloring – one might say – the White ethnic group, was literally due to a genetic flaw.
Egypt was founded by WHITE people who were eventually replaced by mongrels. Just like here in America… America was founded by WHITE people and now the mongrels and others are replacing the white population. As such, this civilization, just like ancient Egypt, will be destroyed by those who CANNOT maintain a WHITE civilization. All one has to do is look at the nature of a Negroid to know they cannot build anything, today or yesterday. Take 1 million Negroids to the North Pole for 1 million years and you will NEVER get an Aryan from a Negroid, opposite applies as well.
Ken, there was a time I would become angry when whites claimed Egyptian ancestry and further that by saying Black Africans have not contributed at all, let alone significantly, toward civilizations, including Egypt. Please post anything CLOSE to the greatness of Egypt in white lands, please show me an overlapping civilization that is not made by Black or Brown people in Europe. Please show me another people who ran down to another continent, built a great civilization and then went back to their land to live in abject poverty for centuries?
White media has projected themselves into every culture and distorted the true picture of the world, that was yesterday, today we know that Hollywood is not the litmus test for reality.
TODAY, I feel nothing but pity for whites with these views because in spite of their ability to use the Internet to post such nonsense, they are either racist or willfully ignorant, I suspect both.
Hey justme:
Show me ANY civilization built by blacks which was ever great! When Rome was in its splendor, blacks were living in dung huts. Many still do today!
You are ignorant of history and scripture. You assume that the White race has remained static; never moving or migrating. Archeology proves you wrong!
The presence of Arab haplotypeV marker in most of the mummies tested -indicate the Ancient Egyptians were Arab – this haplomarker only occurs in Arabs , not Blacks – Mathilda erroneously placed halomarker V with the Blacks, stating Ancient Egypt was mostly Black, when in effect, it was mostly Arab – the whole DNA test results where NOT given, that would conclusively identify King Tut as Arab.As I stated before, I believe him to be mixed Arab/Black/Asian(very small, if any). Rlb occurs in Arabs, in fact having its origins with the Arabs, some Black sub Saharan tribes also have it without mixing.We really need to see the full DNA test results.
Dr. Zahi Hawass, Secretary General of the Egyptian Supreme Council of Antiquities: “The portrayal of ancient Egyptian civilization as black has no element of truth to it. Ancient Egyptians are not Arabs and are not Africans.” Several anthropologists who study the biological relationships of the Ancient Egyptian population call for a recognition of Africa’s genetic diversity when considering the racial identity of the Ancient Egyptians.
LOOK at the pictures of ancient Egyptians! They are portrayed as having dark brown skin. Not as dark as Nubians (blacks) but much darker than the Semites who they portrayed as white. Herodotus, a Greek, described them as having thick lips and dark skin. All this talk is a bit silly. I look at most portrayals of Egyptians and I see what look like modern Afro-Americans — people with some black-African ancestry and some fairer ancestry — maybe semite. I look at Nefertiti and I see a woman who does not look black-African. But King Tut? Very black-African looking to me. So, to interpret Hawass, I’d say he’s trying to tell us that the Egyptians were a blend.
CoryMack
Please, by all means, PRESENT scientific proof of what you say – oh, Arab Semitic Whites, generally have the olive(golden brown skin-80%), dark hair, and eyes, much like Southern European(Greeks, Romans, Southern Italians, Southern Germans, Iranians (Persians), Tamils of India(very dark brown)) and 20% look more like Northern Europeans.
More honkey nonsense. Black people, don’t feed into this bullshit. Let these crakkkas have their fantasies, but don’t waste any time trying to argure and sense into them. Crakkkas can’t even go to the beach in Florida to tan without getting skin cancer, and now they’re the original Egyptians.
Lauren, FIRST off, Baladi is ARABIC for “native peoples” such as the Nubians – Blacks did inhabit Egypt before the Arabs whom are the Ancient, and, Modern Egyptians invaded, driving them out.The Arabs built the pyramids using both Black slaves and free Blacks(paid wokers), and, Jews(paid workers – never were slaves, a common misconception). Of course, rape and, consensual contacts occurred – since 5,000 B.C., Egypt has been Arab.out of this time period, about a thousand divided years were ruled by Greeks, Romans, Persian, Asians, and Black Nubians(roughly from about 750 B.C. to 600 B.C. – the Black Ethiopian Empire swept through the region into Arab Yemen, then the Arabs drove them back to Ethiopia. Many cultures are represented their – Arab Semitic White since ancient time-65%, Blacks(mostly Nubians, some Nilotics,Black/Arab Semitic White mixes – Hamites(50-50% mix)and Berbers and moors – mostly Arab with 8-25% Black heritage, small amount of Indo European Aryan Whites – 30 %, and 5% all other ethnic backgrounds.In 1521 B.C. – Egypt annexed part of Nubia – Sudan – Kemet to make up the lower southwestern corner of Present day Egypt. Traveling from Northern(Lower Egypt) – the population is Arab Semitic White, to southern(Upper Egypt) – there are alot of Black Nubians in the middle is mixing.The war in in Present day Sudan , is between the Arab Semitic White Muslims, ruling the Northern half, and the Black Sudanese Muslims ruling the Southern half. Northern Africa,1/3 of Africa, INCLUDING Egypt, is Arab Semitic White, and, a part of the Middle East. Sudan is also considered a part of the Middle East, although, their President,President Omar Hassan Al-Bashir is a Black Muslim – he sides with the Arabs against his own Black Sudanese people. He organized the Janjaweed, Black sudanes, whom learne, Arabic, and acceptedArab customs, food, dance, and Islam, often called Black Arabs. Their is No such thing – they are Black. Arabs are Semitic White. This would be akin to saying Black Indo European Aryan Whites – no such thing. There are mixes. There are Black Germans(BY NATIONALITY, not ethnicity) and there are Black Egyptians(BY NATIONALITY – i.e. – the Janajaweed, NOT ethnicity).See the following link:
http://naturescorner.wordpress.com/2008/12/13/where-the-ancient-egyptians-black-or-white/
The Egptians were Baladi people who predated Arabic peoples domination of Africa, adn whose civilization was far earlier than European or Middle eastern ones. See Moustafa Gadalla’s comprehensive texts on the Ancient Egyptian civilization, and the foundation he started. He is an engineer. THe facts are logical. It is also lagical there were many racial and DNA strains which would colesce in random ways later. I never understand the Celtic chauvinism thing. THe human race started in Kenya. There is evidence of Aryan migration both out of Turkey and into India. The Northern European gene pool is a very small mutation on that. As the genticists are fond of saying– All non Asian people (black or white) are a few degrees of separation related to Cleopatra (very later queen of Egypt, Greek, which means TUrkish gene pool) and Charlemagne (the illiterate early Frankish (pre-French) king.
The Czechs are more closely related to the Hawaiians than any other peoples in Europe. There are delightful surprises in geneology if you’re not trying to hold onto some disinformation that serves only to divide in conquer.
The Nubians were definitely subject kings at a period in later Egyptian history. And also some pharoahs were black. I”m more interested in the science in that civilization and in ancient west Africa–according to Brit researchers as well. See Herbie Brennan’s books, Christopher Dunn, etc.
On being hung up on blackness adn Celtic. THe pharoah’s nose, before Napoleon’s barbaric soldiers shot it off, was definitely Negroid.
Knew it,a peddlar of belief,his own.
David Livingstone
Actually, that follows the history of Rlb very closely – its origins are in the Middle East and the Arabs and spread to Europe – see the links above in my answers. There are Rlb subclades in some Sub Saharan Black tribes – this is either a separate subclade, or, believed to be a backflow from the Middle East.
Maybe it’s the other way around?! The modern study of genetics is becoming a wonderful way to reassess modern myths about the past, and conversely, age-old legends that have till now been largely rejected. Often, we should grant a degree of legitimacy to claims that have been held by a people for thousands of years. While they may have been dressed up over the years, they may have some basis in truth.
Like Scota, the Egyptian princess of Irish “mythology”. There’s an excellent introduction on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scota
According to the Irish chronicle Lebor Gabála Érenn, Scota was an Egyptian princess who married a Babylonian. Their son was eventually expelled from Egypt shortly after the Exodus. After much travelling his descendants settled in Hispania, from where his descendants established the Gaelic presence in Ireland.
TakeItOutside
Take a few science courses to improve your comprehension level.It seems most people here, understand us very well.
Both of you harm your arguments by using such poor grammar that it is hard to understand what either of you are saying.
Julian Dinkins
You did not read my earlier comments – Rlb occurs throughout the Arab world, even having been believed to have strted there – see links above – it does occur in some Sub Saharan tribes to. Most likely, King Tut was mostly Arab Semitic White, some Black Nubian, and a very small amount of Asian – his grandmother, Queen Tiye is believed to be such a mix her self- she had Blond Caucasian(microscopically identified as such)Hair- her REAL hair – many people do not realize, the Egyptians used many hair pieces.
The Ancient and Modern Egyptians were Arab Semitic White, NOT Black Nubians. Many mummies have been studied. Starting in Northern(Lower)Egypt- the mummies there reflect Caucasian(mostly Arab) features, as we move further south,towards Southern(Upper) Egypt, the mummies reflect Black features- part of Kemet-Sudan-Nubia was annexed by Egypt in 1521 B.C.- the lower southwestern corner.There were Black Nubian Pharaohs in Egypt from roughly 750-6540 B.C..The Rlb results were interpretations made by a NON expert, not Whit Athey, the Physics expert, whom also stated that was not his field of expertise, and, he DID NOT DRAW those conclusions, in fact. stating, there IS a possibility some of the R1b could be Sub Saharan.
King Tut being Western European makes no sense at all. If they had said Eastern European it would have at least been possible. They leaked what they wanted to leak. Anyone who has studied even a little bit of Egyptian history knows that that at that time the Pharoahs collected exotic wives like gold and the Egyptians at that time began to look like Arabs. 99 percent though..I highly doubt the accuracy of this. If they had said that he was 99 Sub Saharan African then I would be thinking the same thing. So Tut didn’t even have Arab in him? Something is very fishy about that test. That would make Tut more white than even most Swedes and Norweigans
So because 1 Egyptian mummy had SOME Western European DNA that means ALL Egyptians were white??? Hilarious. I am guessing the Ethiopians and Somalians are now considered white also, right? That is exactly the Egyptians themselves said they were from…So let’s do a test on some British Governor who died near East Africa some 100 years ago or so and now assume that all East Africans are white because of it.
Let’s do DNA studies on the other hundred and something pharaohs….and see how many more especially before the Hyksos were “white”. What an absolute joke. What’s next? Mansa Musa was white? Zulu’s were mixed with Viking? Anything positive out of Africa is white, anything negative is black. Glad I wont be around years from now when they dig up Elvis, do a DNA test and say all rock and rollers were white…and only white people played guitar….WOW!
Indeed he was,he enriched the Nile delta.
King Tut was Celtic? How about not. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, an Irish pharoah? A Scottish pharoah? Look at a map and learn you history for goodness sakes.
He was probablly Italian, Greek, or Spanish…but I guess they aren’t European enough for some people.
Justme
Read the article in the link – all the proof is there including a genetic study on mummies, then PRESENT YOUR PROOF – you have not yet.
Justme
I presented PROOF – read the article – get back to me – we will go from there, as it hashed many points we would most likely discuss – not going to do your home work for you.THEN, have PROOF, rather than plain tirade, ready.
CN, you bring no proof to THIS discussion, YOUR claim, no substantiation, conversation is over, you have proven yourself and your Arab semitic whites in Egyptian antiquity to be total bullshit.
justme
Visit the article here again – also read the comments – plenty of scientific evidence/links:
http://naturescorner.wordpress.com/2008/12/13/where-the-ancient-egyptians-black-or-white/
CN, do this, go :arrow: to your BLOG and haul over two or three legitimate scientific references and we can go from there, I do not fetch. :arrow:
Justme
I stand corrected on the time – 1:53 – no need to give the whole DYS chain the article lists them.North Africa, INCLUDING Egypt, is Arab Semitic White, and, has been since 5000 B.C. – out of this time, about a thousand years was ruled by NON Arabs, including about 100 years,by Black Nubians – ROUGHLY 750- 650 B.C.. As you move South(Upper Egypt) there are Blacks there – the Nubians, in the portion Egypt annexed – this is verified by skeletal measurements as well, AND, Nubians STILL live there. AGAIN, genetically, the Ancient Egyptians were NOT Black, mostly Arab Semitic White – most mummy skeletal measurements fall OUTSIDE of the Black range,and, the Ancient Egyptians CLEARLY show in Seti I’s Mural, they do NOT consider them selves Black, showing the Nubians(Black)to be a different color than them.Starting in Northern(Lower Egypt) the population is Arab Semitic White, and, HAS BEEN since the building of the Pyramids(NOT all were built by Arabs).The Black Nubians were mostly slave, some were free, and, were paid, as were the Jews(NO LONGER thought to have been slaves). Again, I believe King Tut is a Mix of Black/Arab/Asian for the reasons I gave above. Afro Centrists, such as your self , only attack WITHOUT proof – I have already presented my links – WHY DON”T YOU DO THE SAME – maybe, just maybe, BECAUSE you can not.
MORE BULLSHIT CN, PRODUCE the SCIENTIFIC JOURNALS of your Arab pharaohs in Egyptian antiquity, because frankly what you or I BELIEVE means as much as a pound or two of horse manure. You CANNOT produce this evidence because it does NOT exist, not even an Arabcentric scientist is going to put his or her reputation on line to support what you are spewing over the internet.
wellanotherlie
I am copying and pasting my answer from above to another reader – visit the link your information is INCOMPLETE:
Here is MORE proof:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b_%28Y-DNA%29
Excellent and TECHNICAL article – – if you do not know it Western Asia is the Middle East. The charts show R1b 0 macro – haplogroup F is SQUARELY in the MIDDLE EAST – R1b actually is a break away haplogroup that spread to EUROPE WITHOUT mixing, from the Middle East and into Africa, from the MIDDLE EAST – certain Black Sub Saharan African tribes also have R1b WITHOUT mixing. Bottom line,present YOUR PROO, or, practice what you preach.Please, quite trying to insert the Black Nubians as Arab semitic White Ancient Egyptians. The Black Nubians had their own culture (still do among the Modern Arab Semitic White Egyptians) separate from the Arab Semitic White Ancient egyptians, and, yes. the two cultres did much mixing, but the ones that built the Pyramids were Arabs whom unfortunately used, Black Nubian slaves,and paid workers – free Black Nubians, Arab Semitic White Ancient Egyptians, and Jewish Semitic Whites(contrary to popular misconception, the Jews were NOT enslaved, but were paid workers.I suppose you will whine some more and say you do not have to prove your point. As for the mummies, yes, a small percentage ARE Black Nubians – they were Pharaohs from about 800-700 B.C.AFTER Egypt annexed part of Nubia.Khemet(the real country)/Sudan to make up the lower southwestern corner(Upper Egypt)of Egypt in 1521 B.C.. Please, continue your whining.
Here is the arab haplogroup which is haplogroup j I took this directly from wikipedia please stop lying and spreading misinformation.
Haplogroup J is believed to have arisen roughly 30,000 years ago in Southwest Asia (31,700±12,800 years ago according to Semino et al.. 2004). It is most closely related to Haplogroup I, as both Haplogroup I and Haplogroup J have mutations in common deriving from Haplogroup IJ (S2, S22). Haplogroup IJ and haplogroup K derive from Haplogroup IJK (L15/S137, L16/S138), and only at this level of classification does haplogroup IJK join with Haplogroup G and Haplogroup H as immediate descendants of Haplogroup F. The main current subgroups J1 and J2, which now comprise between them almost all of the population of the haplogroup, are both believed to have arisen very early, at least 10,000 years ago.
Haplogroup J is found in greatest concentration in Southwestern Arabian Peninsula. Outside of this region, haplogroup J has a presence in North Africa. It also has a moderate presence in Southern Europe (especially in central and southern Italy, Malta, Greece, and Albania), Central Asia, and South Asia, particularly in the form of its subclade J2 (J-M172). Haplogroup J is also found in Horn of Africa, particularly in the form of its subclade J1 (J-M267). Subclades J2a and J2a1b1 are found mostly in Greece, Anatolia, and southern Italy.
The Skeptic
Your information is in ERROR:
The video from this link quotes at 2:18min:
“DYS 389
=R1b1b2
=R1b M-269
=R1b M343
Iberian, caucasian, Mediterranean Caucasian, paleo-caucasion, proto-Iberian”etc..
In human genetics, Haplogroup R1b is the most frequently occurring Y-chromosome haplogroup in Western Europe, parts of central Eurasia (for example Bashkortostan[3]), and in parts of sub-Saharan Central Africa (for example around Chad and Cameroon). R1b is also present at lower frequencies throughout Eastern Europe, Western Asia( NOTE: THIS IS THE MIDDLE EAST- Arabs and Jews), Central Asia, and parts of North Africa(AGAIN, MIDDLE EAST – mostly Arabs(small amount of Jews -Egypt is INCLUDED, and, 65% Arab – BOTH Ancient and Modern). Due to European emigration it also reaches high frequencies in the Americas and Australia. While Western Europe is dominated by the R1b1b2 (R-M269) branch of R1b, the Chadic-speaking area in Africa is dominated by the branch known as R1b1a (R-V88).
JESUS F*ING CHRIST CN
You are such a retarded human being. The video is 2.18 minutes LONG, it does not halt at 2.18 minutes to give us those so-called FACTS, have you ALWAYS changed things to suit your impulses? What it shows is someone doctoring the film with these words, words which you conveniently quoted partially
=DYS 389
=R1b1b2
=R1b M-269
=R1b M343
Iberian, caucasian, Mediterranean Caucasian, paleo-caucasion, proto-Iberian”etc.
YOU OMMITTED, FROM THE VIDEO, THE WORDS:
What ever you want to call it!!. <———THIS WAS THE LAST PART (not very scientific)
The most BLANTANT word play of all is that while they ANNOUCE King Tut's name (calling them King Tut "samples"), they go on to play a word game about who Tut's father MIGHT BE and introduce a "MYSTERY" mummy, to call this PROOF of Tut's DNA. The ONLY DNA that the program says it tested is from Amenhotep aka Akhenaton AND a "MYSTERY" mummy. NO ONE HAS PRODUCED ANY SCIENTIFIC JOURNAL TO DATE and THE EGYPTIANS "CLEARLY" ARE in AFRICA, REVEAL AFRICAN CULTURE, LANGUAGE and AFRICAN PHENOTYPES, FROM THE FIRST TO LAST DYNASTY.
STOP YOUR BULLSHIT LIES, DELETIONS and BIASED COMMENTARY!!
SIDE NOTE: Are the outspoken Europeans crying about the Jewish/African-ish Hitler, that was the best laugh I haad all year? Every time you raise your hand in salute, you praise the African man, LOL. :-D
First of all we need to get some facts straight….R1, R1b, R1b1, R1b1a (18,500 years BP), R1b1b (about 4,000 BP). Now you have to realize that R1b1a – V88 is thousands of years in Africa before it has a mutation to R1b1b-M269 (Supposedly King Tut), but another determination that the show does not provide is whether Tut was positive M269 (Asia-Europe) or negative M269 (Central Africa, Chad, Cameroon, etc – V88). When you know this you will also know that R1b1b*M269 is downstream from V88, which means Upstream would be “before” R1b1a* and downstream would be “after” R1b1a*, which is true. From 2003 to 2005 what is now R1b1b2 was designated R1b3. From 2005 to 2008 it was R1b1c. Hawass may have been hoping for results of positive M269 (comparing on show), but got the final result of negative M269 which puts his genetics in Central-East Africa sharing the language correlation of the ancient Egyptian, Cush-Seti (i.e., Cushitic), Chadic-languages developed in Africa. It is also worth noting that the United States of Africa, when it is formed will include Egypt, i.e., its rightful geo-historic place and not the geo-political Middle East.
HitlerRelativeReveal
There are 3 subclades of E1b1b. Two occur only in Blacks, the third also occurs in Arabs, Jews, and Western European.Berbers(and Moors) are a mix of Arab,and Black mainly, but Jewish and Western European to.It stands to reason, he had E1b1b from Africa – NOT necessarily, but possibly Black, most likely Jewish, possibly Arab, and, of course Western European.The English and Germans have very close genetic ties.It had been theorized for at least 50 years that Hitler’s father was Jewish – his father abandoned the family when Hitler was quite young. Good article.
Nazi leader Adolf Hitler had Jewish and African relatives, DNA test suggests
By Michael Sheridan
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Tuesday, August 24th 2010, 10:37 AM
Hulton Archive/Getty
DNA tests of 39 living relatives of Adolf Hitler suggest the leader of Nazi Germany may have had Jewish and African relatives.
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Could Hitler’s hatred for the Jewish people have been a case of self-loathing?
The repulsive leader of Nazi Germany may have had Jewish and perhaps African relatives, according to DNA tests conducted on nearly 40 living relatives.
The report comes from the Belgium magazine, Knack, which says it obtained saliva samples after tracking down 39 relatives from throughout Europe, as well as in America.
“One can from this postulate that Hitler was related to people whom he despised,” Jean-Paul Mulders, the journalist who wrote the article, stated in his report.
Working with historian Marc Vermeeren, the samples were tested and were found to contain a chromosome called Haplopgroup E1b1b (Y-DNA), which is rarely found in Western Europeans.
“It is most commonly found in the Berbers of Morocco, in Algeria, Libya and Tunisia as well as among Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews,” Vermeeren said in the article.
Hitler’s heritage has been called into question before, with some suggesting his grandfather was Jewish. But this is the first claim with any scientific data to support it.
Similar reports have been made against Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who has repeatedly denied the Holocaust occurred and regularly bashes Israel.
It was suggested in the British press in 2009 that the nuke-hungry leader’s name was changed from Sabourjian, a Jewish name meaning “cloth weaver,” when it was converted to Islam after his birth.
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justme
Egyptian mummies have Arab haplogroups
http://naturescorner.wordpress.com/2008/12/13/where-the-ancient-egyptians-black-or-white/
Also, view the comments – the genetics has been THOROUGHLY discussed – some of the commentators are experts.
I am indeed, a proud Christian Arab American of Lebanese ancestry.
Next, you will tell me Arabic is not Egypt’s language, and, that their food and music is not Arabic- got news for you, you are WRONG.Yes the Arabs did invade North Africa – they were, and, ARE the Ancient and Modern Egyptians, NOT, the Black Nubians – I have already acknowledge there was much mixing of the two cultures, hence the Black, Black/Arab Semitic White mixes that make up 30% of Egypt’s population.Here is the mural on Seti I ‘s tomb NOTE Black Nubians are different than the Ancient Egyptians, a demonstration they did NOT consider themselves Black Nubians:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Gates
Mathilda did MAKE one BIG error – she classifies Haplogroup V(Does not occur in Blacks, only in MIXED Black/Arab), which is an Arab haplogroup with Black Africns to promote her theory that Egypt was mostly Black – shifting the Haplogroup to its Arab ethnic background makes Egypt mostly Arab Semitic White.
NOW, PLEASE, PRESENT SOME PROOF.
Mathilda did MAKE one BIG error,LOL
Mathilda is also a JOKE on the Internet (I was wondering when you would pull her out of your trick bag), no one except racist pigs takes anything she says seriously, she censors anyone who differs with her and basically is an immature racist tool.
Why do you constantly overlap the past with the present? Because most of the USA speak English, or South America speaks Spanish and Portuguese has no bearing on the indigenous languages before those nations were infested, except to those few nut cases who, like you, who propose some asinine alternative universe. Arabic is indigenous to Arabia, if you are confused, I suggest YOU research indigenous languages of Egyptian antiquity, should not be too difficult because they are written on the WALLS :roll: and NOT in Arabic.
CN says:
24/08/2010 at 10:20 pm
wellanotherlie
You don’t know your haplogroups
It is you who don’t know what haplogroups respresent, a single haplogroup in a colonized land is a poor indicator of who the indigneous people are. Every time you use the word ARAB you reinforce the fact that Egypt has been infested. Saudi is in the general region of Egypt, yet is bankrupt of all that Egyptian antiquity represents, there is no semblance of the architecture, language or culture in the two lands, both during the Islamic and pre-Islamic period. Of the several Arab predecessors of Hawass, NONE, including Hawass, who has said the ancients are NOT Arab, have claimed Arabian bloodlines during the ancient period. You are on some sort of mission to whiten North Africa and AGAIN, you appear to be white European, faking Arab/Lebanese ancestry. Egypt is not east Arabia, nor is it southern Europe, there is no strict dividing line of the African people, no matter how many maps are color coded to annex the continent into such. Next you will say the Arabs are the ancient Indian or Chinese, what a joke you are.
wellanotherlie
You don’t know your haplogroups – also part of the Middle East is IN EUROASIA- the article states Rlb originates in the Middle east – geneticall – the ethnic groups can be separated out – Blacks and arab Semitic White are two DISTINCT ethnic groups as verified by DNA. You are confused by the ones that are Arabized – such as the janja weed – the media often perpetuates this by calling them Black Arabs – NO SUCH CREATURE there are mixes – Mulattos, but NO Black Arabs – Arabs have ruled North Africa since 5000 B.C., and, are the Ancient and Modern Egyptians, NOT, the Black Nubians – visit this link- do read the comments – it has been thoroughly debated:
http://naturescorner.wordpress.com/2008/12/13/where-the-ancient-egyptians-black-or-white/
Also, your own article from wikipedia says sub-saharan africa….please listen…this is from your quoted article..“In human genetics, Haplogroup R1b is the most frequently occurring Y-chromosome haplogroup in Western Europe, parts of central Eurasia (for example Bashkortostan[3]), and in parts of sub-Saharan Central Africa (for example around Chad and Cameroon).” Sub-Saharan means south of the Sahara desert. the Saharan desert is where arab mixed Chadians live so they are not referring to them also in the article it says chadian speaking parts of africa not arab speaking parts of africa.
Also Africa is populated with people who skin noses and hair have adapted to that environment. Black and White race are artificial terms. But there are no white pale skinned people who are native to Africa too much sun sorry! there is no climate that would create such people…since racial feature are created from environment. Just like there are no black African feature people native in Europe they are transplants.
Arab population is only 22 percent and of that 22% most are visibly black African mixed. also 80% of that population lives in the most southern 1/5 of the country the Black African part (sub-Sahara Africa this is the last of your basic history/African history lessons). Most so called “Arabs” in the country are nomadic tribesmen . Also Arab simply means you have roots from the Middle East in that area it certainly does not mean that you are pure white Semitic, look at any pictures of Arabs in Chad you will see mostly African mixed. that 1/3 of Africa you believe to be heavily populated with Arabs my friend if called the Sahara Desert and the only thing it is heavily populated with is sand.
Chadic-speaking area in Africa is dominated by the branch known as R1b1a (R-V88).(wikipedia) Chadic speaking areas (black african)not Arabic speaking area(semitic)
Please research your comments more before reply. First the northern half of Chad is Semitic that is a crazy statement. We are talking about at the time of king tut 1341 BC – 1323 BC. Long before Muhammad and grab and capture of African lands.Those white Semitics you are talking about came to Chad about 2600 years after king tut and are not R1b in the study they only include black non mixed Chadians. You know very little about history. I have no time to give basic history lessons.
wellanotherlie
Key word African, NOT the same as Black ethnicity – all ethnic groups are descended from a COMMON ancestor, NOT from Black people – – Northern Africa, 1/3 of Africa, INCLUDING Egypt, both Ancient, and, Modern, is Arab Semitic White.
wellanotherlie
Firrst, I assume you should now the Northern HALF of Chad is populated by Arabs – second – here is a link with an excellent discussion of R1b, in fact, stating its origins are in the Middle East part of the Asian continent:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b_%28Y-DNA%29
So much for your erroneous response.
I don’t know, what can be made of this data. but one thing is true. Anyone with half a brain can tell you guys want to take Egypt and the Nile river out of Africa. which is silly cause Africa is where civilization and humanity began, no matter what. It is better to be honest cause like in the book Black Athena you can trace this anti African movement in their writings from the 18cen forward so give it up.
wellanotherwhitelie
R1b is common though out the Arab world, far more so than isolated Black tribes – most Blacks do not have it, most Arabs have it, but not to the extent of Western European – as I sated above – I believe King Tut was a mix of Arab Semitic White, Black, and, some Asian.I very seriously doubt Western European – the only Indo European Aryan Whites in Egypt, were Greeks, Romans, and Persians(Iranians), and, only in small numbers.
See here is an example of another lie R1b is not common in the Arab world. You known where it is common 95% of Chad right next door to Egypt.
“In human genetics, Haplogroup R1b is the most frequently occurring Y-chromosome haplogroup in Western Europe, parts of central Eurasia (for example Bashkortostan[3]), and in parts of sub-Saharan Central Africa (for example around Chad and Cameroon).” from wikipedia wow so instead of coming from next door in Chad or farther away in Cameroons he came from thousands of miles away in northwest European places like Scotland WOW!!!! How unscientific and biased can you get?
CN, Discovery Channnel filmed SOME results, NOT Tut’s results, this has been discussed extensively on this site and others. If you still choose to believe that the results are genuine, go ahead and have at it.
Justme
This whole article is based on whether Western Europeans are the originators of the Ancient Egyptians, on the erroneous assumption that R1b occurs ONLY in Western Europeans, and, was discovered in King Tut’s DNA when the “Discovery Channel” filmed the results.The FACT is, it occurs in Arabs, as well as some Sub Saharan Black African tribes WITHOUT mixing – I am a supporter of the theory, King Tut is a mixof Arab Semitic(NOT Indo European Aryan)White, and, Black(Nubian) ancestry, with possibly some Asian.
CN, why are you referencing R1b?
Justme
Here is MORE proof:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b_%28Y-DNA%29
Excellent and TECHNICAL article – – if you do not know it Western Asia is the Middle East. The charts show R1b 0 macro – haplogroup F is SQUARELY in the MIDDLE EAST – R1b actually is a break away haplogroup that spread to EUROPE WITHOUT mixing, from the Middle East and into Africa, from the MIDDLE EAST – certain Black Sub Saharan African tribes also have R1b WITHOUT mixing. Bottom line,present YOUR PROO, or, practice what you preach.Please, quite trying to insert the Black Nubians as Arab semitic White Ancient Egyptians. The Black Nubians had their own culture (still do among the Modern Arab Semitic White Egyptians) separate from the Arab Semitic White Ancient egyptians, and, yes. the two cultres did much mixing, but the ones that built the Pyramids were Arabs whom unfortunately used, Black Nubian slaves,and paid workers – free Black Nubians, Arab Semitic White Ancient Egyptians, and Jewish Semitic Whites(contrary to popular misconception, the Jews were NOT enslaved, but were paid workers.I suppose you will whine some more and say you do not have to prove your point. As for the mummies, yes, a small percentage ARE Black Nubians – they were Pharaohs from about 800-700 B.C.AFTER Egypt annexed part of Nubia.Khemet(the real country)/Sudan to make up the lower southwestern corner(Upper Egypt)of Egypt in 1521 B.C.. Please, continue your whining.
CN there is NO DATA, R1b or otherwise. There is only the white Arab and European attempting to insert themselves into a culture that is clearly not theirs, not because I say so but because the ancient Egyptians CLEARLY depict who they are. There are parts of the remains and entire Egyptian mummified bodies all over Europe, Canada and the USA, the very ABSENCE of published DNA analysis says more about who the ancients are than some convoluted article on EU times and some fake delusional Arab. Why are you responding with some snippets of convo you have had with others on the internet and expect me to answer? My suggestion is to confine your conversation to the site you are on, that way it is easier for everyone to follow. If you want to talk about Farrakhan then you should go back to the discussion you were having with someone else because other than this reply I have not referenced him for any of my conclusions. :-D I sound desperate
Justme
Read my ABOVE answers – I already presented the proof – 1) R1b occurs in Arabs, and, some Sub Saharan Black tribes without mixing – I have presented the ethnic Haplogroups – Semites are classified in the White category, and, Blacks do NOT have White haplomarkers,especially Semitic(Blacks and Semitic Whites are two different ethnicities) – yes, I know Louis Farrakhan is always rambling Mohammad was either mixed or Black(NOT true- he was born Mecca in the Arabian Peninsula which is Arab Semitic White – that’s why there are Black Muslims, Arab Muslims, and Asian Muslims – Mohammad was NOT Black as much as Louis Farrakhan wishes.
Whit Athey, the Physicist whom created the “Haplogroup Predictor” has publicly STATED – the author/someone else, NOT he, interpreted the data, AND, that the R1b haplogroup is NOT limited to Western Europeans, even occurring in some Sub Saharan Black tribes, so QUIT your whining, and present YOUR PROOF – FIRST review my answers and links – then we can have an INTELLIGENT discussion instead of your CHILDISH whining/dribbling.
CN says:
17/08/2010 at 12:02 am
Justme
And as I asked you to do, PRESENT PROOF – you still have NOT.
Are you a child or just retarded, it is YOU who is presenting this bullshit Arab Semitic white in Egyptian antiquity (ARAB-SEMITIC, isn’t that redundant)? YOU bring your fucking proof, since it is YOU who is proposing some alternate Egyptian universe and is making the claim, some BS blog ain’t going to qualify as proof.
Justme
And as I asked you to do, PRESENT PROOF – you still have NOT.Since around 1850 – skeletal measurements determined Arabs are Semitic White -later DNA tests confirmed this.SEE FOR YOURSELF: Typical Black on your left, typical Arab Semitic White on your right side – see the difference between the TWO DIFFERENT ETHNICITIES:
http://www.fahad.com/pics/dubai_unsung_heroes_1_sm.jpg
GEE – are you telling me any peoples during that time period wer NOT nomadic REGARDLESS of ethnicity? all peoples were nomadic in their geographic perimeters- Arabs traveled outside the ME, and conquered North Africa, building the Egyptian culture, NOT the Black Nubians – the Ethiopian Empire drove the Arabs back to Yemen, then the Arabs drove the Ethiopic Empire back to Ethiopia.
Justme
Where is your genetic proof the Black Nubians, Not the Arab Semitic Whites were the Ancient Egyptians? An artistic rendering, based on a mural from the tomb of Seti I-”Book of the Gates”-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Gates
NOTE: The Ancient Egyptians, THEMSELVES, show they are DIFFERENT from the Black Nubians.
Now, let’s see what YOUR proof – before you say anything – there are images of many different people, INCLUDING Black Nubians. Further, you will tell me Khemet was a name for Ancient Egypt land of the Black people – this term REFERRED to the rich black soil, NOT the people – now, take a slow, deep , breath, and, reason this out – just how many countries in Africa, have Black people – so now, you think that one of these countries is selected as the country of Black people – does that sound even REMOTELY logical to you?
I suggest going to this link I have given above – theis question was THOROUGHLY debated – read NOT only the article, but the comments- many qualified people:
http://naturescorner.wordpress.com/2008/12/13/where-the-ancient-egyptians-black-or-white/
Hey CN, do you recall this reply, LOL.
cleared aka nature from natures corner. we have had this debate on your blog. And I see you are attempting to spread your false theology into other forums. Your mysterious Arabs who you call real Egyptians have no historical existence in the land of kemet which the Greeks called Egypt 5000 years go. you would like to replace the indigenous blackpeople of the Nile valley all 4000 miles of it with your mysterious so-called white Arabs or some how make them white black people as other white rascist scholars have done in the past but with a new twist the use of genetics. These people were not even in a sedentary state yet too have been able to produced such a civilization. They were nomads not city dwellers. So get off it. And the only true white people are the Europeans who didn’t even count in history until the Greeks.