A grim report circulating in the Kremlin today written by Russia’s Northern Fleet is reporting that the United States has ordered a complete media blackout over North Korea’s torpedoing of the giant Deepwater Horizon oil platform owned by the World’s largest offshore drilling contractor Transocean that was built and financed by South Korea’s Hyundai Heavy Industries Co. Ltd., that has caused great loss of life, untold billions in economic damage to the South Korean economy, and an environmental catastrophe to the United States.
Most important to understand about this latest attack by North Korea against its South Korean enemy is that under the existing “laws of war” it was a permissible action as they remain in a state of war against each other due to South Korea’s refusal to sign the 1953 Armistice ending the Korean War.
To the attack itself, these reports continue, the North Korean “cargo vessel” Dai Hong Dan believed to be staffed by 17th Sniper Corps “suicide” troops left Cuba’s Empresa Terminales Mambisas de La Habana (Port of Havana) on April 18th whereupon it “severely deviated” from its intended course for Venezuela’s Puerto Cabello bringing it to within 209 kilometers (130 miles) of the Deepwater Horizon oil platform which was located 80 kilometers (50 miles) off the coast of the US State of Louisiana where it launched an SSC Sang-o Class Mini Submarine (Yugo class) estimated to have an operational range of 321 kilometers (200 miles).
On the night of April 20th the North Korean Mini Submarine manned by these “suicidal” 17th Sniper Corps soldiers attacked the Deepwater Horizon with what are believed to be 2 incendiary torpedoes causing a massive explosion and resulting in 11 workers on this giant oil rig being killed outright. Barely 48 hours later, on April 22nd , this North Korean Mini Submarine committed its final atrocity by exploding itself directly beneath the Deepwater Horizon causing this $1 Billion oil rig to sink beneath the seas and marking 2010’s celebration of Earth Day with one of the largest environmental catastrophes our World has ever seen.
To the reason for North Korea attacking the Deepwater Horizon, these reports say, was to present US President Obama with an “impossible dilemma” prior to the opening of the United Nations Review Conference of the Parties to the Treat on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) set to begin May 3rd in New York.
This “impossible dilemma” facing Obama is indeed real as the decision he is faced with is either to allow the continuation of this massive oil leak catastrophe to continue for months, or immediately stop it by the only known and proven means possible, the detonation of a thermonuclear device.
Russian Navy atomic experts in these reports state that should Obama choose the “nuclear option” the most viable weapon at his disposal is the United States B83 (Mk-83) strategic thermonuclear bomb having a variable yield (Low Kiloton Range to 1,200 Kilotons) which with its 12 foot length and 18 inch diameter, and weighing just over 2,400 pounds, is readily able to be deployed and detonated by a remote controlled mini-sub.
Should Obama choose the “nuclear option” it appears that he would be supported by the International Court of Justice who on July 8, 1996 issued an advisory opinion on the use of nuclear weapons stating that they could not conclude definitively on these weapons use in “extreme circumstances” or “self defense”.
On the other hand, if Obama chooses the “nuclear option” it would leave the UN’s nuclear conference in shambles with every Nation in the World having oil rigs off their coasts demanding an equal right to atomic weapons to protect their environment from catastrophes too, including Iran.
To whatever decision Obama makes it remains a fact that with each passing hour this environmental catastrophe grows worse. And even though Obama has ordered military SWAT teams to protect other oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico from any further attack, and further ordered that all drilling in the Gulf of Mexico be immediately stopped, this massive oil spill has already reached the shores of America and with high waves and more bad weather forecast the likelihood of it being stopped from destroying thousands of miles of US coastland and wildlife appears unstoppable.
And not just to the environmental catastrophe that is unfolding the only devastation to be wrecked upon the United States and South Korea by this North Korean attack as the economic liabilities associated with this disaster are estimated by these Russian reports to be between $500 Billion to $1.5 Trillion, and which only a declaration of this disaster being an “act of war” would free some the World’s largest corporations from bankruptcy.
Important to note too in all of these events was that this was the second attack by North Korea on its South Korean enemy, and US ally, in a month as we had reported on in our March 28th report titled “Obama Orders ‘Immediate Stand-down’ After Deadly North Korean Attack” and which to date neither the Americans or South Korea have retaliated for and giving one senior North Korean party leader the courage to openly state that the North Korean military took “gratifying revenge” on South Korea.
And for those believing that things couldn’t get worse, they couldn’t be more mistaken as new reports coming from Japanese military sources are stating that North Korea is preparing for new launches of its 1,300 kilometer (807 miles) intermediate range ballistic “Rodong” missile which Russian Space Forces experts state is able to “deploy and detonate” an atomic electromagnetic pulse (EMP) device, and which if detonated high in the atmosphere could effectively destroy the American economy for years, if not decades, to come.
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In December, 2009 I purchased a shortwave radio with the idea that no one can control shortwave broadcasts in the event that American citizens were not being given the truth by the media. I have long since learned to trust these feelings as well as my dreams.
I am not multilingual, but do have German speaking friends who could probably translate Russian. I can understand some Spanish, but am not fluent. One evening we picked up an English speaking station in Beijing, China who also has an online site. We can access many Latin speaking countries and European countries as well.
I wonder if any ham radio operators have picked up on interesting conversations concerning the Gulf oil rig explosion? We can only receive with our radio, not transmit.
Haven’t collected very many stickers but a tremendous amount of really neat trinkets of all kinds plus about 300 lbs of books, papers, and literature. Am also a map junkie and every nation as well as several trade magazines were giving away wall-sized maps of operations, equipment, facilities, and what-not.
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I enjoy talking to the technical representatives and through the small talk, I acquire a considerable amount of knowledge over a few days. Plus most companies and nations offer hardcover books about their operations, processes, or equipment and will give me a copy of such books.
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Another aspect that I enjoy is the free food offered, particularly by individual nations having displays. I can’t imagine why anyone would have to buy a meal on any day that OTC is in session. And the evening parties are awesome events.
John Holmes: I’ve been attending the Offshore Technology conference in Houston every year since 1979, when “deep” drilling in the GOM was 500 feet. Today, the depth is in excess of 7,000 feet with some platforms drilling at 9,000 feet. And plans for Arctic drilling will have to deal with depths of 10,000 feet or greater.
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BP got real sloppy with “Deepwater Horizon”, no less than they’ve done with their refinery at Texas City and the Alaska pipeline.
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Grandma sez: “Is the news in Europe now implying a cover-up that would blame Korea for the explosion?”
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Cite the factual source for this allegation.
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Or are you a cut-n-run tea bagger who throws out BS for your intellectually dysfunctional fellow travelers? Your allegation has all the value of my cat’s litter box after she’s used it.
Joe, are you collecting any good stickers at the oil show? I used to have quite a collection!
Whoaaa there! Easy big fella! lol I believe John and myself have done enough name calling for the whole article. lol
One thing that makes a cover up difficult to be substantiated is generally due to the corroborating evidence USUALLY, well, umm.. being covered up. lol
Some of your questions again can be answered by a media blackout. I’m sure you would agree, once the NSA gets hold of something and deems something a matter of national security, you might as well turn out the lights and go home. Nothing they don’t want done with the information is going to be done..or even seen for that matter.
I’d love to hear from a member or former member of the NSA to tell me if I’m correct in the following assumption but, I hold the NSA as one of those shadow agencies. I know I’m getting a little “X” Files on the subject, but, I would think in matters of national security, there would be certain allowances made, or winks and nods and a turning of the head in a lot of cases regarding having to operate within the limits of the law.
And yes, I don’t care how outspoken a public figure is for the right, even THEY, as much as I like them, are beholding to the powers behind the powers. Many I’m sure in fear of their lives, freedom or the safety of their families if they buck the system beyond tolerance levels.
You portray yourself to be someone that in general feels like their government is beneficent, truthful and truly supportive of the nation’s populace. I hate to break it to ya fella, if you feel that way, you would be mistaken. It’s true that absolute power corrupts absolutely, no matter the person.
I don’t hold conservative governments any less threatening. Again, it’s the power behind the power.
Why hasn’t Glenn Beck reported this story?
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Why hasn’t Michelle Bachmann given a speech about this story?
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Why hasn’t Sarah Palin given a speech or Facebook comment about this story?
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Why hasn’t Oliver North written an opinion piece for “Human Events” about this story?
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Why hasn’t Michelle Malkin written or spoken about this story?
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Why hasn’t Orly Taitz filed a lawsuit in a Federal court to force the US Government to reveal all details about this story?
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Why hasn’t this story been commented upon in “NewsBusters”?
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Why hasn’t Fox News run with this story, demanding investigations?
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Why hasn’t Alex Jones run with this story, demanding investigations?
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So, you’re gonna assert that the above-cited dingbats are part of “the machine”?
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No factual, citable substantiation = no story. Or, are the cited personalities and organizations more intelligent than you and realize there is no story?
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Answer each question and convince me that there’s a factually substantiated story. Why don’t YOU cite factual substantiation?
Grandma has a right to ask questions. We all do.
I have one. Since Bush and Cheney are big Haliburton boys, neither of them has uttered a word since this thing happened. What are they doing? Wiring all their money into offshore banks to protect it?
Questions to ponder:
Does BP want us useless eaters to all pay global carbon tax? What are their corporate connections to the world bank that would be collecting it?
Does BP want environmental controls that would benefit them at the expense of others?…
Is BP a lot bigger than the other companies drilling in the Gulf?
Is BP one of Obama’s big contributors?
After BP talked Obama into lifting the drilling ban, did it last just long enough for all their pesky little competitors to invest heavily in new drilling, all of which is now at immediate risk? How many of those little companies will go under?
Instead of fixing the problem, is Obama now pushing carbon tax? Does he also want the United States taxpayers to pick up the clean-up bill?
So for the price of one little oil rig and a little negative press, will BP get their global controls, get their carbon tax, and get rid of their pesky little competitors? Would that not be quite a profitable trade for BP?
Is the news in Europe now implying a cover-up that would blame Korea for the explosion? Would that not create a convenient Boogieman and possibly even start the greatest distraction, a nice profitable war?
Don’t they hate it when we ask questions? :-)
So, it’s been almost two months since this piece of bovine fecal matter presented as a collection of unsubstantiated facts was issued. Where’s all the real world news about this event?
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Where’s all the adherents to this conspiracy theory? Not one of you has made your beliefs public, to be questioned by a Congressional conspiracy theory committee.
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Don’tcha think Sarah Palin would wanna run with this? Or Michelle Bachmann? Or are they too sane to grasp the horrid significance of this delusional fantasy?
Would that be unsubstantiated by that of media sources quoting government officials? If there was a cover up would they truly allow these facts to surface and substantiate them? Also if there was a media blackout then they wouldn’t be allowed. Since when are “conspiracy theorists” actually paid attention to by the government? Aren’t we usually the “delusional quacks”?
You don’t think even those political figures are separate from the machine do you? Please. If they are on t.v. and if they are candidates they are part of the machine. The machine does not work against itself. Yes the talking heads condemn the action and ideas of their counterparts on either side but there is never change. It’s because the machine will not work against itself.
The media would not acknowledge anyone that was outside of the machine, much less give them air time.
Adam, we agree! yippee! I’m not going to jump all over unfounded conspiracy theories either. But I will say one thing. Never put it past the government to do a power grab. Did anyone hear that the world bank seized Haiti’s mineral rights because of all of the foreign aid?
Like I said, never put a power grab past any government.
Joe, I worked offshore in oil and gas production for 20 years. Not drilling. production. We did have drilling rigs on some of our platforms from time to time, however.
I can tell you this from direct experience. The unwritten company policy in any oil company is CYA. (cover your ass) and oil companies are very tight lipped about everything, especially accidents where litigation is pending.
No one has even told us what happened. It might surprise some of these readers, but it will never surprised me.
“What shall hereinafter be referred to as The Company” is God, and you are expected to sell your soul. I never did, but many around me did. It was just a paycheck to me.
Adam and I have had spirited discussions about God, religion, truth, etc, and even Adam will agree with me when I say I will never sell my soul to a false god like “what shall hereinafter be referred to as the company.”
NO one is talking. They are taking advantage of the fact that Washington is totally naive about the oil industry and has proven it by the idiotic behavior of all these senators and congressmen. Knowledge is power, and they have no knowledge. It’s a circus of ignorance.
One possible scenario is that the well took a hard pressure kick, and a piece of casing was shoved up inside the blowout preventer, jamming it. The casing is cemented in place by what is called a squeeze job. High pressure cementing. (15,000 psi) The iron casing installed after the drilling is completed. A casing crew does this job. Then a well service company (in this case Haliburton) pumps cement all the way to the bottom of the hole where it hits the bottom, and squeezes back up the sides of the casing, and comes out at the top. on the outside of the casing. Now, the casing is cemented in place.
did the cement have time to dry? or was the cement job flawed and the well took a kick and the casing ripped loose?
I have to assume they know what happened.
And as I posted in another article, my thinking has changed now. If we can’t control a blowout in deep water, we have no business drilling in deep water.
The whole Gulf is going to die if they don’t stop this thing. The Gulf is only a 1000 mile circle. How much oil can leak before the whole Gulf is compromised. If we can stop this thing, sure nature can fix it, but in how much time? 100 years?
This waits to be seen, I guess. I’m glad this website is here, so we can all express our concerns.
Adam and John,
Again I must apologize for opening this “can of worms.” I feel that there is goodness in you both, but the topic of religion has, and apparently always will, evoke much emotion in the hearts of man. I would very much like you to lay your swords down.
When I initially dreamed about being far up in the sky, looking down in the darkness from a satellite view, seeing the entire Gulf of Mexico covered with algae, prior to the oil rig explosion, I was puzzled. After the rig exploded, I began to hunt online for information about algae. Indeed, satellites do monitor HAB, or Harmful Algal Blooms. This was the message: “The whole world is concerned.”
What I have just relayed to you is the absolute truth. What it exactly means, I do not know. Perhaps it means that this event COULD cause a huge dead zone in the Gulf. I am only a messenger, not the CREATOR of the message.
As for the alligator, who knows? It was my dream, and even I am not certain of the meaning at this point. My quest for an answer led me to this site. I am curious as to the reason the other posters arrived at this site. What about the alleged report from Russian intelligence brought you here?
Is there any way that we can get to the truth? If this is a hoax, then shame on the person who perpetuated a lie! If it is the truth, can we prove it?
I wish you peace and comfort for your hurt feelings, anger, and any other negativity in your lives which may drag you down in any way whatsoever.
Heartland
Heartland, thank you. You are pure in spirit. You know us boys, we can get a little rowdy sometimes. :) Don’t trouble yourself over this please. I can only speak for myself but there is no hurt feelings. Has been none, though, in my vigor I did feel to answer all of John’s charges, which, I probably should have just let go. My apologies for putting you through the stress. I’m at total peace.
You ask what led others to this site. I first found out about it on facebook. It was circulating and anytime a disaster strikes I always have a tendency to “watch the other hand” when the media is focused on the other.
I concur as I have stated earlier that if it is a hoax, shame on them that created it. I think though it has just enough plausibility to be a legitimate concern. Factors I’m considering in leading to it are the following….
1. The media hasn’t touched it…which, if there is a blackout as suggested in the article they would not be ALLOWED to run the story.
2. This story went round the world once it was released. Facebook and Myspace, being the popular sites they are, exposed the story to I’d say millions of people. You know how quickly things get around on Facebook.
With the super-exposure that this thing got, even though it wasn’t run on national media, this “hoax” should have gotten back to the administration. I mean, how many intelligence agencies scan social networking sites? They can see how many clicked the link to the story and everything.
With that being the case, WHY did the Obama administration never address the hoax? Why didn’t they come across and say publicly,
“Listen folks, there are a lot of rumors running around to alternative ways this accident happened, we’ve looked into them and found none of them to be credible and so now we’re focused on what we believe to be the cause of the explosion and getting this spill capped.”
3. Nor did the department of homeland security ever come across the wire and make a statement that they did not believe that this disaster was an act of terror. They’ve done it for plane crashes, other explosions, why not make a statement regarding one of the largest oil disasters in history? Would an alert America disregard the possibility of a terrorist attack out of hand?
I know many of us have gone “back to sleep” since Sept 11, 2001 but it’s still etched into our minds. And when a disaster of this proportion occurs I believe that terrorism is something the average American’s mind gravitates to. Yet it was never addressed by our government.
The administration would have good reason to let an attack of this nature be swept under the rug..
1. It helps his environmental agenda
2. If he admitted that it was an attack, we would have no “acceptable” choice other than to retaliate with a strike, which, in turn would for the most part set off WW3.
Will we ever learn the truth? I think we already know. Will the rest of America and the world ever know it? Not until years and years and years down the road, if ever.
Again, Heartland, please do not trouble yourself over John and I’s debate. My feelings haven’t been hurt in the slightest and my apologies go out to John if I have hurt his.
Much love.
Adam
Heartland! Thank God you came back! I honestly don’t remember how I found this site. I guess I googled something about the oil spill and hit this link. I can’t even remember, but this site is a trip! Adam and I got to meet you!
Adam, let me explain my defensiveness. I hate fundies. I am Catholic, but digressed into hardcore atheism and intellectual pursuit for a quarter century. Then, I more or less was overcome by lifelong emotional problems and reached for God. I am essentially a freethinker and interpret things on my own level. I do not buy all of Christianity, even though my church does. I have a wonderful church. I;m sick of seeing my church attacked by ignorant fundies, educated on a 4th grade level. They, now listen closely, routinely attack science and knowledge! Look up the FBI’s criteria for a cult, as they follow and study cults. A CULT WILL ATTACK SCIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE. nmber oe criteria.
Yhis fundie crap “I hate your guts but I love you in Christ” is a worn out meaningless cliche and a joke. My church is not a whore. My church is not a cult. I am sick of the propaganda and lies against the largest christian church on the planet. Hence, my defensiveness. Sure I falsely accused you on some fronts and I apologize.
Your mention of the Holy Spirit leads me to believe you may be Pentecostal, Aog, Non Denominational (essentially pentecostal) etc.
The catholic church is a big big believer in the Holy Ghost too. And miracles. And trusting in jesus. I don’t see christianity a the only way. I do believe in the power of goodness. and that supercedes any one faith. I respect atheists. All i expect from people is goodness and honesty.
Peace to you, my friend.
Oh John. :( I’m so sorry that you have had to go through all that in your life. As far as my denomination goes though, I’m just plain ol’ Baptist. Course, we’re pretty back woods Baptist next to these big churches. We don’t play with snakes or dance around or cast demons outta folks or anything like that but, you might hear an occasional shout every once in a while. Also, we’d probably run off some of these bigger churches preachers if they came visiting. lol Our preachers are a little different. Now, mine went to school but it was for Pharmacist training as opposed to theology. His wife is a school teacher. He doesn’t have a salary at our church nor do we provide a house or car, but, we do give him every other Sunday’s collection how much ever that might be. Might be $400 or I have seen it as high as around $2000.
Man, again, I so hate that you had to go through that. There are SOME departures that I have with the Catholic Church, but, most of my problems with it stems from the upper echelons of the hierarchy. Not the people that practice the faith in general.
I BS not when I talk about not hating anybody. I have a very tender heart and I just personally believe hate comes from the enemy. We def agree that God is love, so the opposite of that would be fear, or hate. So, who would be in charge of that do you think? lol So, assuming such a being, I don’t want to give the SOB the time of day, much less stroke his ego by me doing what he would probably WANT me to do. Just my little way of sticking it to him. lol
Oh, what I was going to tell you about my preacher before I went off on that tangent…
He doesn’t prepare his sermons at all. He simply prays for the Holy Spirit to give him a text…He will then get a verse in his head. He’ll read it, run a couple references and mark them to read in the service and then he’ll simply pray on it the rest of the time. Sunday comes, he stands up, reads the scriptures that he’s studied and blam. The Holy Spirit kicks in and he doesn’t stop until the power of the Holy Spirit departs from him. Constant and rhythmic, only two, maybe three breaks for a drink of water. Course we’re talking about hard preaching so I guess a drink of water would be in order. lol
I must say that I do agree with you about those that would tout love through Christ but hold hate in their hearts. I don’t think they understand what it’s truly all about. Makes me sad.
I respect atheists but I’ve found that most of them do not respect me. Course, as you can see I tend to be a bit outspoken on matters of faith. lol And I am rather closed minded admittedly, but, it’s kind of like…hmm..I don’t know. I just know what happened to me when I was 13 years old. And when it happens my brother, after that there is nothing that can change your mind. When you have had an actual experience with the Almighty and within your heart “felt” His voice unmistakable, it’s a hard job to convince me it didn’t happen. lol Experience trumps book knowledge I think. Also though, and maybe you can speak to this, I believe a nice portion of atheists aren’t really atheists at heart, but moreover, something has happened in their lives to make them angry with God. And it winds up being a lot easier to pretend that He doesn’t exist, than to be hurt by what appears to the person as being betrayal by Him. It’s simply supposition on my part though. I just always try to find some common ground.
That being said, I’m glad that we’ve finally ironed some of this out. I can tell you are a man of your convictions and I so respect that. You seem like a straight up kinda fella. I think maybe some of the reason that a great deal of your modern “Christians” attack science and knowledge is as your response was, a instinctive defensive reaction. When I have discussions with atheists, my faith is routinely attacked by science and knowledge. But every time I bring up a science fact that I believe testifies to my faith, they shoot it down without a second thought. That can be frustrating sometimes I do admit. And though I always go into a forum convo or something very peacefully and passively, when it is found that I am a believer, I’ve got a big red bull’s eye on my ass all of a sudden. lol And some of them folks are pretty mean. lol
I’d be curious to learn more about some of the things you struggled with, but, I know this isn’t the place for it. If you want, shoot me a message on myspace with an email. I’d be very interested in it.
My friend, I’m so glad we got this worked out. I feel maybe like some walls came down from a spiritual standpoint. My heart just fluttered a bit. I usually take coincidental timings like that as verification.
Well God bless you my friend! I hope we can keep a communication line opened.
Heartland, you are blessed. It’s amazing what God can turn around aint it. (Sorry, the country in me coming out. lol) You was worried for openin’ a can of worms but don’t you know sometimes that’s what it takes? If you had of never opened the can, John and I would have never had our discussion, as lively as it was lol. And, we would have never got to the heart of some critical issues that create strain between people. We were able, once everything got calmed down, to actually discuss stuff and find that neither one of us is so bad. lol
What good came of it? As of now, John knows at least one “fundie” that aint an asshole. lol (I’m just messin’ wicha man lol)
God bless you Heartland. God bless you. :)
I’m more than a little frustrated right now. Not due to the discussion but lost time. My arms were getting tired resting on the laptop so I went to slide it closer and a short killed the power, along with my whole response…UGH…
Ok, John, you said I attacked you, yet, you criticized me for not being able to take a joke about maybe Jesus being the alligator. Also you made the rather hateful comment “give me a break” to which I did nothing more than take the edge of by saying “no, what, this isn’t McDonalds”. So, IN THAT spirit of hatefulness, you attacked me. I returned the banter and you proceeded to UNLOAD on me. Your response was at the very least intolerant. And the continuing comments ventured into MANY judgments that you accused ME of. Now, I’m not saying I’m perfect, that has never came out of my mouth but I always strive not to judge. SOMETIMES, attitudes can get the better of me and I speak hateful. This is not intentional merely reactionary.
As for your “Pride goeth before a fall” comment, if you noticed, right after it, I said…”Ok, that was wrong..lol That was the “me” in me talking. lol”
So, therefore I apologized off the bat even though I said it in jest…why then would you still use it as fodder?
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like i said, boy! GET LAID!
GOT IT?
REMEMBER THIS BEFORE I MOVE ON
all perception is filtered through the self. nothing gets through without an emotion or an opinion being attached to it. THERE ARE NO ABSOLUTES.
YOU’VE WASTED YOUR BRAIN AND THAT’S YOUR LOSS, NOT MINE.
OH, AND BEFORE YOU TELL ME HOW SELF-PROMOTING HOLY YOU ARE, WRITE IT IN THE DARK. NO ONE CAN READ YOU BUT YOU. YOU ARE SO LOST.
GOODBYE ADAM. LIKE I SAID, CONSULT WITH A LADY OF THE EVENING. YOUR NEUROTIC INEPTITUDE IS SHOWING!
Response….What’s up with this man? Is this another joke? OH. Ok…I get it…Hahahaha.
Not really on subject. I know I strayed but you just took it off the map fella. My sex life is between me and the Father. I’m actually doing my best to wait for my mate but that’s neither here nor there.
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One thing that I can’t get away from was way back there, you telling me to read and live by Matthew 7. Now, I realize in the lively debate that has transpired I have threw out some zingers. Especially that question asking if you were Luciferian. But I’m seeing SO MANY judgments coming from you, of me, that I haven’t even been able to keep track of them all. And not trivial judgments either. Some downright character assassinations. Though I have argued vehemently that being forgiven through Christ is the only answer, aside from the Luciferian jab I have kept away from calling your character into question. What gives?
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“go cry somewhere else”
“this is not a church”
A. It’s you who are using caps, exclamation marks, insults, etc. Yes, I do answer but mine has been pretty calm and peaceful if you ask me. You seem to have been enraged.
B. True. And I have already admitted to this. But in defense, you were not “through with me” as you touted. How many times have you continued the post?
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you don’t even know what born again means, adam.
Response: I do indeed. I warn you via scripture, ‘Do not call something unclean if God has made it clean.’ … a second time from heaven, ‘What God has made clean, do not call common.’
you don’t know what absolute means
again, sure I do…absolute: : having no restriction, exception, or qualification
you can’t even spell faring (it’s not “fairing”)
Isn’t that kinda like John Kerry making a big deal about the incorrect pronunciation of “nuclear”? I’m assuming you are once again attacking my intelligence which is the only conclusion which could be drawn. How many other places in all my postings did I misspell or misuse a word? I don’t know, guess maybe that’s another joke. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt…
you don’t know the difference between a fundamentalist and a fundie. the latter is not pretty, i assure you.
Response….The only real difference is “fundie” is an insult slung by those against Christians in large part, who tout that Christ is the only way. I’ll count it the way you used it for pointing out your venom but other than that I take no offense to the term. I believe every word that is attached to the word Fundamentalist Christian. If someone gets scared by that term, that doesn’t know what it means, don’t be. It is all that I’ve stated in these posts. Nothing more.
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DREAMS:
I agree that it could be. I was simply offering her my interpretation as it related to it being prophetic in nature. Also though, you must remember, she had the dream of it PRIOR TO the oil spill.
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Revelation is a first century prophesy. Some of it came to pass. Some didn’t.
Response: Yes, it was. In that John, on the aisle of Patmos was where and when it was written. Some scholars BELIEVE that these were all fulfilled in the first century. It wasn’t until the formation of Israel though that that prophecy was fulfilled AND there is an exact timeline to follow that, ONCE Israel had returned. 2011 marks the beginning of the rest of the book.
666 is nero, and other tyrants who were killing christians at the time.
John expected christians to have to take a mark for extermination. Later, more compassionate people were elected to power and the torture and killing stopped.
You have to study the history contemporaneous to the bible to understand revelation.
Response: This is true, but, if you go back in the Word, Christ warns that there will be MANY antichrists between then and now but THE Antichrist has yet to appear, though I think it is one who is touted as the Maitreya. A fella by the name of Raj Patel possibly. This is all still speculation though.
Start in the first century and work your way up. There are several good histories of the world out there.
Remember, John was in exile on the island of Patmos when he wrote revelation. He used heavy symbolism and imagery. This has to be interpreted, and we have to have a thorough knowledge of the history of the time.
I’m going by what some scholars agree with but most of all through revelation of the Holy Spirit which trumps scholars. Remember, Christ said that He would confound the wise.
The reason it has not occurred until now is because God has been silent regarding it. He said He would pour out His Spirit in the last days and that old men would dream dreams and young men would see visions. We are in the last of the 69th week in Daniel. The tribulation is the 70th week. Do some study.
We also have to depend on our scholars for the ways some words were used. If you interpret it literally, you are not competent to interpret it.
You are correct in that you can’t interpret the book of Revelations literally because John was seeing things that did not exist at the time. He could only do his best to put words that would make sense to people of that time.
No offense but you seriously take me for a fool in these matters. I assure you sir that I am not. The Seventh Day Adventists is a religious organization who is KNOWN for their accurate interpretation of scripture. I have done studies with them, as well as in Sunday School, to answer your challenge from earlier, yes, I go to church. I try to be there every time the doors are open. No, I don’t hate catholics, Buddhists, Hindus, Islamic peoples, Jews, not even satanists. So, your drawing dead on that prejudice.
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Adam, contrary to your claims, I do respect the fact that you know that love and goodness are where you find God.
Well, we agree on more than one thing, that’s a plus! Thank you!
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It’s your feeling of superiority to other faiths that concerns me. This is why I asked you to reach.
Response: It more than a little concerns you if you feel you must use such venom in your speech. Superiority of faiths are not in question. I didn’t bring it in question at least. I just said what I said. If you believe it, please, believe it. If you don’t believe it, by all means, you don’t have to. But I will not apologize for believing the way I believe and very soon it will be made clear as to why.
God has no name.
Response: Incorrect
Man gives God names.
Response: True
God is not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob only.
Response: The God of the Bible is the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob as touted by the apostles.
God is God.
Response: True to some extent.
Allah is another name for the God of Abraham,and Islam is called an Abrahamic faith, as are Judaism and Christianity. But Adam. Listen to me. God is not limited to Judaism, Christianity, or Islam. (also called the 3 faiths of Jerusalem)
If this is true, it will be revealed. If it is not, it will be revealed. Again, I don’t condemn anything except that of satanism and Luciferianism (New Age). Also, let’s make it clear..in that, though I may condemn those “faiths” I don’t condemn those that practice it. God is a God that searches the hearts of His people.
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God is for everybody! All peoples. All faiths.
Response: Yes He is and He desires that all men come to Him by the Way that He has provided for us. Is it fundamental? Yes. Is 2+2=4 fundamental? Yes. If I’m incorrect it will be made known and I will receive correction. Any faith that is not in line with His way will be corrected when the time comes. Nothing to fear. Except for those who are evil in their hearts.
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God is an english word only. In french, it’s Dieu. In Spanish, Italian, and Portugese, it’s Dios. other tongues have other names………BUT IT’S ALL GOD!
Yup, no argument there….
GOD comes from the indoeuropean root “GHEU” meaning “to invoke.”
The fact that other nationalities call God other names does not mean that it is not God.
DUHHHHHHHHHH????????????????
Response: That last part was kinda inflammatory don’t you think?
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Ask a Buddhust AND HE WILL SAY “GOD IS”
Ask the bible, and it says “I AM”
Same verb…”TO BE”
GOD JUST IS. PERIOD. GOD HAS NO NAME. GOD IS GOD.
DO YOU AT LEAST UNDERSTAND THIS ADAM? IT’S A VERY EASY CONCEPT.
Again, you insult my intelligence? You talk about me being insecure in my faith. What are you doing? I’m not a child, I do not speak to you as a child and I would appreciate the same respect in return. You make a couple good points but then you gotta go all juvenile. Come on man. Act like a grown folk. I’m 36.
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Adam, my man, grow a sense of humor! I was joking when I said Jesus was the alligator. If you can’t interpret a simple joke, I KNOW you are incompetent to interpret the bible!
Response: My not finding a joke funny bares not on my ability to interpret scripture for when I do get scripture interpretation it is of Divine revelation, not of my own natural understanding, taking my own indwelt abilities to interpret, wholly out of the equation.
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So let me take you by the hand and explain everything to your underevolved mind.
Response: Insulting my intelligence again….You talk to ME about arrogance.
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I said since they hurt Jesus before, he came back with thick skin and big teeth! I was joking.
Response: That was a bit on the insulting side of things….
And don’t change the subject and give me a sermon about joking about things pertaining to JESUS. Adam, may I give you some brotherly advice?
GET LAID
YOU SEEM NEUROTIC AND CONTROLLING.
Response: Again and again…insults…
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Let your hair down Adam. Get a sense of humor, or you will go insane. And learn to tolerate other peoples’ perspectives and beliefs.
Response: Ok, so, what exactly in YOUR MIND constitute tolerance? Me changing my belief to match everybody else’s? Me agreeing that nobody knows? Me believing there is no absolute truth? Sorry brother. If that is your definition of tolerance than I can’t do it.
Now, by you saying to me that I need to “learn to respect” alluding to the fact that I don’t already, “other people’s perspectives and beliefs”, you are yet again insulting me and in short character assassination by painting me “intolerant”.
Let’s see if I meet religioustolerance.org’s standards of religious tolerance shall we?
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Definition:
To extend religious freedom to people of all religious traditions, and none, even though you probably disagree with their beliefs and/or practices.
Having tolerance towards another religion does not require you to endorse that faith group’s beliefs; it simply indicates your respect for its right to exist and for its members be free from discrimination. More info.
Religious tolerance does not require you to:
Believe that all religions are equally true.
Avoid criticizing actions by religious individuals or groups that harm others.
Avoid comparing beliefs and claims of different religions with each other & with scientific findings.
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I think I qualify.
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God does not exclusively belong to you, Adam. God belongs to humanity.
Response: I agree and you never heard me dispute that fact. This was only your “perception”.
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Learn to respect other faiths.
Response: See above.
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And lastly Adam, read my lips,,,,,I DON’T ANSWER TO MEN. I ANSWER TO GOD. DON’T TELL ME WHAT TO THINK OR BELIEVE.
Response: John, I never told you what to believe. I simply told you what I believe. Nothing more, nothing less. It is you that took offense to what I believe. I was only a little too sensitive on the “Jesus joke”, admittedly.
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Adam, I want your mind to learn to stretch, to reach.
So think about this quote seriously. Take your time. let me know how you interpret it. I am open to honest discussion.
“The mold of a man stems from the mind of a child. Educators have known this throughout time. So have tyrants.”
Response: If only parents seemed to realize this. We as a society mold and shape our children’s minds and personalities. But we have given over the molding of our children’s minds to that of television, music, video games wherein violence is so prevalent. Where the institution of marriage is respected neither by the home or the media or the government. And we wonder why our country seems to be in a constant state of retrograde.
My mind is expanded. But it doesn’t mean I believe everything presented to my mind. I weigh it and measure it with what I know already. And if it can prove otherwise I will even change my mind in that case.
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JESUS IS SAYING THAT HIS TEACHINGS AND THE THINGS HE IS TELLING US TO DO are the only way to the Father, or to the Kingdom.
Response: It’s not just works though. It is your faith THROUGH the shed blood of God incarnate for the remission of sin. This is a misinterpretation my friend.
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What are these things that Jesus asks us to do Adam?
Adam? Are you listening? Most fundies are incapable of listening.
Response: I know, this was a previous post I’m answering and I know you were all jacked up so I’m not going to point out the insult.
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JESUS ASKS US…..AND THIS IS THE only WAY TO DO THESE THINGS:
1.) Release self, ego, and pride
This is a prerequisite for salvation. It’s called conviction or contrition. Apart from that we are to walk humbly. But humbly doesn’t mean silently. And these are things we are all guilty of doing.
2.) Suspend, or bypass Judgement (matthew 7 explains this)
This is judgment according to what is morally right and morally wrong, nothing is said about not being silent about the correctness or incorrectness. Neither is it our place to say who is going to hell or heaven (to judge the soul) which you’ll never catch me boasting, with the exception of myself. God searches the individual heart. Like you say, you answer to God, not man.
3.) Practice love and forgiveness..love your neighbor as yourself..AND YOUR ENEMIES.
Brother, we may argue tooth and nail but that doesn’t mean I don’t love you. I love everybody. This is only possible through Him. I even love people that I can’t stand. Cause Christ loves them and God loves them.
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ADAM, THESE ARE THE PRINCIPLES OF SPIRITUAL ENLIGHTENMENT, AND ARE TAUGHT BY MANY DIFFERENT RELIGIONS, PARTICULARLY THE EASTERN FAITHS
JESUS SHOWED US THE WAY AND WE MUST DO THE THINGS HE TEACHES IF WE EXPECT TO ARRIVE AT PEACE, THE KINGDOM WITHIN, NIRVANA, OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
ADAM, FOR YOU TO DENIGRATE MY SPIRITUALITY AND BRAND ME WITH WHAT YOU THINK ARE DEROGATORY NAMES, LIKE “NEW AGE” SHOWS ME THAT YOU ARE INSECURE IN YOUR FAITH.
That bares a striking resemblance to all the “fundie” insults slung at me. I’m extremely secure but this you should already know by now. I’m sorry if I insulted you but I went into protection mode (of Heartland)when you were saying what you were saying. I did not know if you were or were not the enemy (one that would draw another into a religion under false pretenses and or with malicious intent. I’ve heard that before from different cults. People touting God and uplifting but delivering the opposite. I have a very strong mother hen personality when it comes to protecting ladies. Take no more offense to it.
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Adam, if you are intimidated by another person’s faith, you are INSECURE in your own.
Christianity is not a sport, Adam. No religion is.
Response: Nope. Agreed
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It’s a fight for your sanity. You don’t truly reach for God until you are broken and need his help.
Response: I experienced that from the time I was around 10 to 13 before I bowed on my knees with a broken heart, asked forgiveness and prayed till I believed whole heartedly and Christ came in. He’s been there ever since. :)
And Adam, I don’t need you to interpret the bible for me. I know what it means.
Response: You are correct in that no man should interpret the Bible for you save to get an idea of what it says. It is to be revealed by the Holy Spirit as you read it in prayer. At the same time if you are incorrect and I can show you, then you should count it as gained understanding. Not an insult that you understood wrong.
I’d bet you don’t even go to church! You fundies DEMONIZE the word religion and accuse churches of religion, as an excuse not to go to church. You make religion an ugly, evil word.
Response: I covered it way up there but, I’ll address it again. I try to go to church every time the doors are open. I love being in the House of the Lord. As for “my” demonetization of the word works, in me it is unfounded. It is written, faith without works is dead. Alas it is also written works without faith is dead as well. Where we differ is this…
I believe that salvation comes through a working of the Holy Spirit within your heart and the only work it requires is getting your doubts out of the way as to give way to pure faith. God’s Holy Spirit (the Spirit of Christ on earth) is the sole responsibility for the change.
Once we are saved that is when our works come. We do good works because we want to glorify God the Father and God the Son. No works count prior for salvation, for it does say in Isaiah, “All of our righteous deeds are as filthy rags.” This is because at the judgment our righteousness is going to be compared to His own. Christ was the only sinless one and only God Himself could walk this earth and keep the law to a jot and tittle. This was the cause of the crucifixion. That all sins of everyone who ever lived and ever will live, the crime is paid for. This is the basis for my faith. I trust in the death, burial, resurrection and ascension of the Son of God as my substitution. Not arguing anything, just giving you my understanding if you’ll have it.
Must say I was as equally as offended by your allusion that I am of a cult of satan as you were that I called you a New Ager/Luciferian. So, we’re even there I guess. I forgive you.
Well, I’m out. Been working on this a while. Sorry I went from bottom to top but it was easier. God bless you man. Let me know if you ever need to talk.
Again, sorry guys. I think that draws this part of the conversation to a close, least between me and John. Heatland, I hope mine and John’s disagreement haven’t turned you off to the chat. Any input would be wonderful. God bless you.
ADAM SAYS… John, I hope you find some peace man. I wouldn’t want to go another round with me either. ;)
RESPONSE
PRIDE COMETH BEFORE THE FALL!
you don’t even know what born again means, adam.
you don’t know what absolute means
you can’t even spell faring (it’s not “fairing”)
you don’t know the difference between a fundamentalist and a fundie. the latter is not pretty, i assure you.
i am through with you and your kind. resolutely and definitively.
you attacked me
i responded
go cry somewhere else
this is not a church
it’s a european union website
the topic is about an oil spill, not your condemnation of (and obvious fear of) others who don’t think like you. and none of your thinking is original. you are programmed like a parrot. you have proven that you don’t even know what god is.
you use cheap cliches about your potential but you will never even explore it. you’re too afraid to.
like i said, boy! GET LAID!
GOT IT?
REMEMBER THIS BEFORE I MOVE ON
all perception is filtered through the self. nothing gets through without an emotion or an opinion being attached to it. THERE ARE NO ABSOLUTES.
YOU’VE WASTED YOUR BRAIN AND THAT’S YOUR LOSS, NOT MINE.
OH, AND BEFORE YOU TELL ME HOW SELF-PROMOTING HOLY YOU ARE, WRITE IT IN THE DARK. NO ONE CAN READ YOU BUT YOU. YOU ARE SO LOST.
GOODBYE ADAM. LIKE I SAID, CONSULT WITH A LADY OF THE EVENING. YOUR NEUROTIC INEPTITUDE IS SHOWING!
Revelation is a first century prophesy. Some of it came to pass. Some didn’t. 666 is nero, and other tyrants who were killing christians at the time.
John expected christians to have to take a mark for extermination. Later, more compassionate people were elected to power and the torture and killing stopped.
You have to study the history contemporaneous to the bible to understand revelation.
Start in the first century and work your way up. There are several good histories of the world out there.
Remember, John was in exile on the island of Patmos when he wrote revelation. He used heavy symbolism and imagery. This has to be interpreted, and we have to have a thorough knowledge of the history of the time. We also have to depend on our scholars for the ways some words were used. If you interpret it literally, you are not competent to interpret it.
I am through with this discussion.
DREAMS
The brain is a stimulus/response machine. Everything we experience with our five senses is recorded on the brain. Sometimes these images are mixed up, and thrown back out in the form of dreams. This is why so many dreams make little sense. Anyone can arbitrate the “meaning” of a dream after the fact. I call this ex post facto arbitration. It doesn’t mean that’s what that dream means. It’s just an OPINION of what a dream means.
Heartland’s dream contains very vivid imagery. And her thinking is highly involved. Heartland is a very intelligent lady. A real thinker.
Has it occurred to you that her alligator could just be an image that’s in her mind? We all have alligator images in our minds. They are interesting creatures, and certainly not sinister or evil. But they ARE wild and might or might not try to eat you!
What her dream means to me is maybe that that oil spill’s on her mind, as it’s on all of our minds. I live in Louisiana. I worked offshore for years. I don’t think the Gulf’s gonna die and form a solid layer of algae. This just shows that Heartland is concerned abut the environmental impact of this thing, as we all are.
However, in keeping with her discussion, I’d think that alligator just represents an alligator who is looking out over his environment powerlessly, fearfully, and hopelessly.
I do hope the alligators dont lose hope, and will be ok. We all want the best outcome. That’s why Tony Hayward said “I want my life back.” He wishes this thing had never happened. Don’t we all?
I’m judgmental my brother? You may want to reread what you wrote to me.
This is well though that you are done with me for you are not fairing that well in the discussion. Calling me names and insulting my intelligence doesn’t make your arguments valid, which, you seem to depend on.
What is a fundie? Someone that believes there is only one answer? Someone who defends that there is a correct and an incorrect answer? That would make all math teachers fundies. lol But, if you insist that I’m a fundie because I believe in what Christ said was true is true, then, I give. I AM a fundie. :) Hey, kinda feels good. lol
No, the reason I said it sounded New Age is because New Age philosophy touts “goodness” and “light” and “love” all universal, but, they don’t believe in absolute truth. They don’t believe “You must be born again” as Christ said. They don’t recognize Christ’s deity as well. In New Age, they speak of a Christ consciousness but they don’t believe in the PERSON of the Christ. It was the PERSON of the Christ that was God in the flesh that paid the penalty of sin by taking it upon Himself.
God IS LOVE. He’s also Righteous, even smaller man. :p He’s also absolute.
Before I address the worship comment I will address the “bigot” comment. The actual definition of a bigot, per Webster is someone that is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to one’s own opinions and prejudices, especially one who regards or treats members of a particular group with hatred and intolerance. Now, on one hand ABSOLUTELY, I DO BELIEVE with all my heart that Christ was God in flesh, lived a perfect life, completely innocent yet persecuted and cruelly executed for the remission of my sin. I also believe He rose the third day, walked among men for an additional 40 days and then ascended to the right hand of the Father where He lives evermore. In THAT I am a bigot, according to Webster. The part in which I do not meet the requirement however is where it goes on to say that I would have to be intolerant or carry hatred for someone that didn’t believe the way I did. Here’s where we run into trouble…Do I believe He is the only way, yes. Will I tolerate the spiritual departure of belief from that fact by others. Yes. Doesn’t mean I have to believe they are correct, but they have every right to believe what they will. The other part, not a chance. I don’t even HATE all out satanists. I feel sad for them. There is not hate in my heart. Now, if you come up against me in word, as you did, I will defend my beliefs, I will defend my God. But that does not mean I hate you nor am I intolerant of you. Remember, it was not I with the first of the angry words, it was you. Would that make you a bigot? I’m just asking. I believe every volley I have returned, though a bit stinging possibly, has been very cordial and factual and polite. I cannot say the same for yours though. :(
OK, by the way, I’m sorry folks….I said I’d gladly take any flak and I do this without stress but my apologies go out to those that are not interested in this. I admit I strayed into it with my dream interpretation but apparently John has felt it necessary to call me on the carpet.
You quit before you completed your sentence, but, you were correcting me regarding Jesus never told anybody to worship Him. This may be true but He never STOPPED anybody from worshiping Him either, which is just as important…and there are several instances where we are ENCOURAGED to worship Him.
Philippians 2:6 says that Jesus, ” Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God.”
Deuteronomy 32:43 (All the angels of God worship Him)
Psalm 72 (All are put under Jesus)
Psalm 110 (Jesus sits in honor at the right hand of God)
Matthew 2:2, 11 (Baby Jesus was worshiped by the wise men)
Matthew 8:2 (Leper worshipped Jesus)
Matthew 14:33 (Apostles worshiped Jesus)
Matthew 28:9, 17 (They fell at His feet and worshiped Him)
Mark 5:6 (Even the unclean spirits worship Jesus)
Luke 24:52 (They worshiped Him)
John 5:22-23 (Honor the Son just as you honor the Father)
John 8:50 (God wants to glorify Jesus)
John 9:38 (Believe and worship Jesus)
John 17:21,23 (God and Jesus are One)
Luke 19:38-40 (Bless the King who comes in the name of the Lord. If He was not worshiped, the very stones would cry out)
Hebrews 1:4-13 (Verse 6: Let all the angels of God worship Him)
Hebrews 10:9-10 (Jesus is the New Covenant. The old covenant has passed away. All laws found in ordinances were nailed to the cross, but the Ten Commandments stand forever.)
Revelation 5:11-14 (Worship both God and Jesus)
Revelation 11:15 (Christ will reign forever and ever)
Revelation 22:3 (Worship both God and Jesus)
By the way, He also was baptized by John but it wasn’t for cleansing of sin. He did pray to the Father BUT He was doing this as an example of submission to His Father. Also He was giving us the framework for OUR prayers.
John, I hope you find some peace man. I wouldn’t want to go another round with me either. ;)
Ok, that was wrong..lol That was the “me” in me talking. lol I don’t hate ya brother. Even if you see me as lowly and stupid. Lowly I am, stupid, na. lol Sadly I don’t meet the qualifications.
God bless you brother. Long as the others do not care, feel free to rebut. I don’t mind.
Adam, contrary to your claims, I do respect the fact that you know that love and goodness are where you find God. It’s your feeling of superiority to other faiths that concerns me. This is why I asked you to reach.
God has no name. Man gives God names. God is not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob only. God is God. Allah is another name for the God of Abraham,and Islam is called an Abrahamic faith, as are Judaism and Christianity. But Adam. Listen to me. God is not limited to Judaism, Christianity, or Islam. (also called the 3 faiths of Jerusalem)
God is for everybody! All peoples. All faiths.
God is an english word only. In french, it’s Dieu. In Spanish, Italian, and Portugese, it’s Dios. other tongues have other names………BUT IT’S ALL GOD!
GOD comes from the indoeuropean root “GHEU” meaning “to invoke.”
The fact that other nationalities call God other names does not mean that it is not God.
DUHHHHHHHHHH????????????????
Ask a Buddhust AND HE WILL SAY “GOD IS”
Ask the bible, and it says “I AM”
Same verb…”TO BE”
GOD JUST IS. PERIOD. GOD HAS NO NAME. GOD IS GOD.
DO YOU AT LEAST UNDERSTAND THIS ADAM? IT’S A VERY EASY CONCEPT.
Adam, my man, grow a sense of humor! I was joking when I said Jesus was the alligator. If you can’t interpret a simple joke, I KNOW you are incompetent to interpret the bible!
So let me take you by the hand and explain everything to your underevolved mind. I said since they hurt Jesus before, he came back with thick skin and big teeth! I was joking. And don’t change the subject and give me a sermon about joking about things pertaining to JESUS. Adam, may I give you some brotherly advice?
GET LAID
YOU SEEM NEUROTIC AND CONTROLLING.
Let your hair down Adam. Get a sense of humor, or you will go insane. And learn to tolerate other peoples’ perspectives and beliefs. God does not exclusively belong to you, Adam. God belongs to humanity. learn to respect other faiths.
And lastly Adam, read my lips,,,,,I DON’T ANSWER TO MEN. I ANSWER TO GOD. DON’T TELL ME WHAT TO THINK OR BELIEVE.
Adam, I want your mind to learn to stretch, to reach.
So think about this quote seriously. Take your time. let me know how you interpret it. I am open to honest discussion.
“The mold of a man stems from the mind of a child. Educators have known this throughout time. So have tyrants.”
Wow, John. Such a contradiction. It seems that your “god” is more the god of New Age rather than that of Christianity. The Bible also says John, in His own words that Christ is that way, truth and life. He also said no man comes to God except through Him. I never intended to turn this into a theological discussion but I won’t be silent completely.
FYI, though I’m not a college graduate I have taken many post high school classes, which, incidentally I finished near the top of, so, I don’t qualify to be the person you seem to tout me to be. Also, scripture itself is not interpreted by an intelligent, well studied mind. The only way that scripture can be interpreted is through that of a revealing of it’s meaning through the Holy Spirit.
You accuse me of being unable to cope? You accuse me of condemning it? It is not mine to condemn. And I cope with the world just fine thank you. In fact, I like my place in this world. I don’t wish for it to blow up, nor do I say that it is going to blow up in my interpretation of her dream which, truly, would be the only way for you to gauge what I actually believe. I offered nothing in there with the exception of after the final judgement time would cease to be. You draw a lot of assumption off of this to come to your conclusions.
If you look closely at Revelations you will see that many of the prophecy foretold by John is beginning to come to pass. Especially the establishment of Israel. I’ll go further into that if you would like.
There is no “paranoia”. Paranoia says fear. Christ’s return says hope. I also expressed no arrogance in my comments unless you are counting my attempt at being funny when I said “this is not McDonalds” after you said “don’t I deserve a break”.
Now, many would consider this website or this story, conspiracy theory. Because this is not an accepted possibility that has been expressed in any mainstream media AND the particular articles I’ve noted that said that this story could have been fabricated by a man somewhat famous for internet hoaxes. Not to mention the fact that the EU Times is not the most highly credible paper/site. You must be careful. Many people might judge YOU unable to cope with what equates to Occam’s Razor.
I’m probably one of the most unselfish people you would ever hope to meet. I’d give the shirt off my back to help someone. Spend money I don’t have to help feed somebody, buy someone a bus ticket home, etc. There is no grounds for you accusation that I am a selfish person. Now, if you call me selfish for desiring to witness the return of my Savior, then, in that case I’m guilty as charged but I think you will find that Heartland and I are more on the same page in that regard than you and her.
Incidentally we do agree that everything good, perfect, love, kindness, beauty, etc. comes from God. The God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob to be more specific. His power is love. I have this power indwelt within me for I have Christ in my heart. I go through this life with a smile on my face and a song in my heart because of this. Do I cry for the suffering? Of course. Do I stand against injustice. When I get the chance. And you are correct in that it says that they will know we are Christians by the love that we have for our brother. Where is yours for me?
I live to the fullest every single day. I don’t limit my potential. My potential is fulfilled in Him.
Where is your tolerance my brother? Also, on a side note, if you were clear when you read of Heartland that the alligator in question had an evil feeling to it, and that it lurked in the dark, why would you even THINK to attribute evilness and darkness with that of Christ? Are you Luciferian? I know they believe that the roles were reversed and Christ was the evil one and lucifer was the innocent one wrongly accused…Not accusing, just trying to figure out why you would attack me so and then tout the same thing I tout underneath your attack.
If there is as much hate in your heart as you seem to spew toward me, I don’t think it would behoove Heartland to be whispering in her ear or gently pushing her.
Adam, I am through with you. You are a judgemental, closed-minded religious bigot and no, I am not new age. You fundies call everything outside of yourselves new age. God is love and goodness, little man. What’s “new age” about that? Grow a freaking brain fundie. You make me vomit.
Like I said, you are not competent to interpret scripture, so let me help you. Jesus never said to worship him. Jesus prayed to the Father.
Now listen to me well, Adam. When Jesus says I am the way, the truth, etc…and the only way to the Father is through me…Jesus is saying that
JESUS IS SAYING THAT HIS TEACHINGS AND THE THINGS HE IS TELLING US TO DO are the only way to the Father, or to the Kingdom.
What are these things that Jesus asks us to do Adam?
Adam? Are you listening? Most fundies are incapable of listening.
JESUS ASKS US…..AND THIS IS THE only WAY TO DO THESE THINGS:
1.) Release self, ego, and pride
2.) Suspend, or bypass Judgement (matthew 7 explains this)
3.) Practice love and forgiveness..love your neighbor as yourself..AND YOUR ENEMIES.
ADAM, THESE ARE THE PRINCIPLES OF SPIRITUAL ENLIGHTENMENT, AND ARE TAUGHT BY MANY DIFFERENT RELIGIONS, PARTICULARLY THE EASTERN FAITHS
JESUS SHOWED US THE WAY AND WE MUST DO THE THINGS HE TEACHES IF WE EXPECT TO ARRIVE AT PEACE, THE KINGDOM WITHIN, NIRVANA, OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
ADAM, FOR YOU TO DENIGRATE MY SPIRITUALITY AND BRAND ME WITH WHAT YOU THINK ARE DEROGATORY NAMES, LIKE “NEW AGE” SHOWS ME THAT YOU ARE INSECURE IN YOUR FAITH.
Adam, if you are intimidated by another person’s faith, you are INSECURE in your own.
Christianity is not a sport, Adam. No religion is. It’s a fight for your sanity. You don’t truly reach for God until you are broken and need his help.
And Adam, I don’t need you to interpret the bible for me. I know what it means.
I’d bet you don’t even go to church! You fundies DEMONIZE the word religion and accuse churches of religion, as an excuse not to go to church. You make religion an ugly, evil word.
the American heritage Dictionary of the English Language, 4th Edition… defines religion as:
1.) Belief in and worship of a supreme being or beings
2.) An Institution………i.e. the Christian religion, the Islamic religion, the Hindu religion, etc
Adam, people like you demonize the word religion. You demonize the word “works” as something evil. Jesus told us to help those less fortunate than us, to help the poor. These are works, and they are to be done selflessly, and for God. God needs us to do his work on earth.
Mother Teresa said “Give until it hurts, because that is a sacrifice, but don’t do it for yourself. Do it for the glory of God.”
Adam, I know you are brainwashed to hate catholics. I know your kind. I hang out in a born again chat room, and I never saw more evil and hate. Repent of that cult of Satan Adam.
Look at Heartland’s post. She has a heart, Adam.
GROW ONE!
I forgot to mention ethanol. In the 80’s they marketed a 10-15% mixture of alcohol in gasoline, calling it “gasohol.” (as you remember)
Alcohol is gygroscopic, meaning that it attracts water. The problem with gasohol was a lot of corrosion in gas tanks and fuel systems.
They wait 20 more years, “conveniently” forget to mention corrosion considerations, and market it again!
I would hope that they have surmounted the water problem this time around.
Anyway, I just wanted people to be aware of this.
correction: “hygroscopic”
Wow! Seems like I might have stepped into a hornet’s nest here. I did not mean to stir up dissension. I am only wondering and trying to figure out if we are been duped as American citizens.
My alligator dream may mean nothing at all. BUT, it was a precursor to the dream that sure as heck DID mean something. I stumbled across many sites just by Googling submarine/oil explosion, since I thought about a submarine BEFORE the supposed Russian intelligence report surfaced. Hoax? Maybe, who knows for certain. Perhaps this mess can be logically explained, and our govt. is being 100% honest with us. But – perhaps not. I watched a youtube video of a news reporter who was near
La. on some island trying to interview workers and was met by armed guards, telling him that he could not speak to them. Why the air of secrecy? The media usually blabs everything else they can sensationalize.
No, the alligator is not symbolic of Jesus. This thing was hiding, lurking, waiting, ominous, in muddy water, in the darkness. I came across another site where a man dreamed of the actual explosion of the oil rig. I wanted to see if anyone else had a similar dream to mine. Maybe I should have kept it to myself.
Have any of you wondered about the suspicion of our president’s birth certificate, soc. sec.#, alleged Muslim background, past associations, rapid rise to presidency, etc.? Why is a military physician locked up because he refused to deploy to Afghanistan without proof that his commander-in-chief is a natural born citizen? I have seen a few presidencies in my 56 yrs., but none like this one.
To touch a bit on our dependency on oil; yes, we can develop other sources of fuel. We make our entire living from farming, raising soybeans, corn, and sometimes wheat. Soybeans can be used for bio-diesel. They are very high in protein, oils, and carbohydrates. After the oils are extracted, what is left makes excellent animal feed. The sugar in corn is used for ethanol production. There is an ethanol plant not too many miles from our farm. After the sugar is used, the remaining carbs and oils are used in animal feeds. This will not deplete our nation’s food supply as some suggest.
James, thank God for the men like your father and mine who fought for our freedom and all the brave young men who are doing the same today. Man’s inhumanity to man is one of the most difficult things for me to comprehend, yet it has existed since the beginning of time.
I pray that whatever the cause of the oil rig explosion, that the oil gushing out is stopped soon. The economy is already suffering. Houses locally for sale are not selling – prices are being drastically slashed. People are hungry. Our local Craig’s list has people asking for food and garden tools. I have sent many, many open-pollinated vegetable seeds to our state’s capital city for use in their community garden. We plant a large garden for ourselves and give much produce to others, as well as raise our own chickens, eggs, and sheep. I am seeing friends and family without jobs and health insurance, praying that their unemployment does not run out.
I am just a farmer’s wife from the Heartland who happens to have dreams that come true sometimes and did not mean to stir anyone up in a negative way.
You have nothing to apologize for Heartland. Nothing at all. If anything, any parties perturbed is perturbed at me not you. I’ll gladly take the flack. God bless you for your efforts. I’d can some of what you produce and store it.
Adam, your “christian” arrogance is not lightly taken. Your “end times” PARANOIA is mental illness and an inability to cope. You people can’t cope with the world, so you condemn it, and want it to blow up in pieces. How selfish! YOU CAN’T END THE WORLD, BUT YOU CAN END YOUR POTENTIAL. THAT’S YOUR CHOICE, TO DIE BEFORE YOU DIE. ONLY YOU CAN GIVE YOURSELF PERMISSION TO DO THAT. WAKE UP, ADAM!
Remember, there’s a letter from Paul in the bible that says if you’re not married, don’t get married and don’t get anything started because the end is at hand. Paul, at the end of this letter says this is just his opinion. The problem is, that was 2000 years ago, and it has been the “opinion” of every paranoid fanatic each and every day since then.
lol @ end times. The end is when our sun burns out and goes through the well-studied stages of a dying star, but that is billions of years in the future. The bible is rich with metaphor, symbolism, some mythology, and allegory, and it takes an educated and intelligent mind to sort through it and accurately interpret the intended meanings, and neither brother billy bob nor some fundie with a 4th grade education is competent to interpret scripture. So, enough of you, Adam. Incidently, if Adam and Eve even literally existed as man and woman they would have been primates, or at least cavemen. We have hominoid skeletal remains that prove original people were not like us!
Now, to heartland:
Heartland, I had to struggle to find “God,” and I had to go through a lot of pain to find this thing. “God” is found in goodness itself, but moreso, there is a power in that goodness, a beautiful power, a perfect power, and when we seek only that which is good, and seek to bring good out in everything and everyone we encounter, we are drawn into that goodness, drawn into its perfect power, into its truth and beauty. It is then that we are drawn into the presence of this thing that we call “God.”
Heartland, I know we are on the same page, because “it takes one to know one” and I know that you have tasted this power, the perfect and beautiful power of the goodness of what we call God!”
I can see it in you. I can feel its presence in you, in the honesty and clarity of your words, in your willingness to give and to share.
Yes Heartland, you have arrived in the presence of God. John 13 says Jesus will know his disciples by their love. There’s your shortcut to the kingdom right there. You don’t have to be christian and you don’t have to have a book or a map to find God.
When I was little, we had a blind piano tuner. That man never saw a book, yet he told me “God loves you.”
pretty amazing. The guy was pure heart.
Heartland, I feel God in you. Your husband is a lucky man, and really knows what quality is when he sees it.
YOU GO GIRL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! KEEP LEAVING YOUR GENEROUS SPRINKLING OF ANGEL DUST EVERYWHERE YOU GO, AND KEEP TOUCHING THE HEARTS OF THOSE WHO NEED YOU. AND IF YOU GET DISCOURAGED, IF YOU GET DOWN, AND FEEL A LITTLE NUDGE PUSHING ON YOU, IT’S ME! URGING YOU ON TO GREATER HEIGHTS, GENTLY WHISPERING IN YOUR EARS… “ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE WITH GOD!”
YOU GO GIRL! NEVER STOP DREAMING. NEVER STOP LOVING.
I was simply giving her a dream interpretation. And no, though when He returns He will be the Lion, He wouldn’t be an alligator. Remember, she felt an “evil presence” around it like it was laying in wait. And one might attribute it in err to end times.
And no, as a matter of fact you DON’T deserve a break today. This aint freakin’ McDonalds. lol
Adam,
Thank you for not blowing off my dream. I think that the algae will follow the destruction of marine life in the Gulf. The ecological balance would have to be thrown way off, would it not? I have the feeling that there is much more oil gushing out than we are being told, hence the media melt-down.
I have learned from past experience that the dreams I have been given often have one or more meanings which is possible due to the symbolic way in which the Holy Spirit delivers them.
Prior to 911, I dreamed that a miniature plane flew through our double doors from the dining room to the living room, tilting its wings sideways so as to fit. It entered our living room and crashed into my curio cabinet in a ball of fire. A message was given to me, “There are those who want to see planes fall from the sky.” I replied, incredulously, “No, why would anyone want to see this!?” The message repeated, more emphatically the second time. My husband called me downstairs that fateful morning, and we watched together,(in our living room like the dream) as live coverage showed the plane crashing into the tower. It was not until many months later that I realized the significance of the plane crashing into my curio cabinet in my dream. My curio cabinet is tall and narrow, like a tower!
Adam, I believe that your discernment could be correct. The alligator could represent the small submarine, as well as an evil, ominous presence, waiting for the right opportunity. I was aware that in my dream, the alligator was hidden from others in muddy water and tall grasses, in the darkness of night, but I could see it. It was close to the edge of the water or shoreline,lying in wait. I believe there are others besides myself who see things unfolding which do not seem right, but I also believe that the masses do not.
I am not superstitious or a religious zealot. We attend church only occasionally. I do however, pray for wisdom, discernment, and protection. If a person is aware, that person cannot be caught off guard.
Is there “a report circulating in the Kremlin” that Jesus is coming back?
What does an oil well blowout have to do with Jesus coming back? Give me a break.
Maybe that alligator hiding in the marshes was Jesus? It only makes sense that Jesus would come back with thicker skin and big teeth, after what they did to him the first time.
Think about it.
That alligator was Jesus!!!!!!! :twisted:
BP knew that the casing had developed cracks 3 months before the explosions. The N. Korean warship was not stopped by the Coast Guard or Navy so it was allowed to enter American waters, Only Obama could pull that off! Obama released the ban on drilling to play middle of the road, but immediately banned drilling due to the explosion. The Communists are on N. Korea’s side, Obama is a Communist. Obama wins, the environmentalist wackos win, N. Korea wins, the Communist New World Order wins, BP wins eventually just wait. Again we tax payers lose. Spread the wealth around $20B. That’s the ObamaNation we now live under.
A probable scenario is that the cement “squeeze job” didn’t hold, the well took a hard kick, and a piece of casing was shoved up inside the blowout preventer. The blind rams in a blowout preventer have hardened steel blades that are designed to cut through drill pipe and seal the well off. The blind rams cannot cut through casing. Drill pipe is usually around 4 inches in diameter. Casing can be 7-13 inches, and they even have some larger than that for some applications.
The blowout preventer DID actuate after all, but it can’t chop off casing.
Old1, cracks in casing have nothing to do with warships or subs. and “only obama could pull that off?” Get real, boy! Go see a tailor and get a strait jacket made. You’re just..about..ready..to..flip!
And Heartland, your father is a hero. Give him my love. My father was in the battle of the bulge in ww2. He saw the kinds of things your father saw. My admiration is for both of them!
Do any of you believe in prophetic dreams? I have been made a believer because I have had many dreams come to pass. Prior to the Gulf oil disaster, I told my husband of my dream the following morning. I was up in the sky looking down from a satellite view upon the earth. I could see the Gulf of Mexico, completely covered with algae, as if it were a huge dead zone of stagnant water. The message that was given me was this: “The whole world is concerned.” I did not see the oil rig explosion, or oil upon the water, just the eventual RESULTS of this catastrophic event.
Then I began to reflect upon a dream I received a few days prior to this dream. I had been wondering for days about the meaning of this previous dream. Most of my dreams are filled with symbolism, and I am not certain of the message until the events have already unfolded, just as the dream of my mother’s fatal heart attack the morning of Feb., 2009. My brother called about 3:00 that afternoon, telling me the life squad was there.
THIS IS THE FIRST DREAM: I saw an alligator, hiding in the darkness near a shore in tall grasses, waiting for something. The alligator was not seen by others, but I knew it was there. Its presence was very ominous and evil. Immediately after the news of the oil rig explosion, I began to Google everything I could, trying to find a submarine called “Alligator.” All I found was one around the Civil War era. I could not get the thoughts about a submarine involvement out of my mind.
I FINALLY found the Russian intelligence report of this N. Korean mini-sub. I am convinced that the alligator lurking in the water was this mini-sub, which was waiting for the right time to attack.
My father was almost killed in the Korea War two years before I was born. He was shot in the chest, and the bullet exited through his back. He also received a compound fracture of the leg, and prior to this was wounded in the head with shrapnel. If his comrades had not seen him wave his arm, he would have been left for dead. Only in recent years has he spoken anything of his ordeals in my presence. The Koreans would blow trumpets, followed by human wave attacks. Piles of dead bodies, extremely cold weather, and few rations are some of his memories. He entered the service at around 180 lbs. and came back less than 130 lbs. after recuperating at a hospital in Hawaii. Amazingly, he is still living at age 84.
I DO NOT TRUST NORTH KOREA!!!!! There is something in me that cannot shake this story from Russian intelligence. I do not trust our current leader and never have from the very beginning. I do believe that we have a media black-out about the truth.
Perhaps it is best at this time that the truth is hidden? Who among us wants WWIII? Just be discerning, and keep your eyes open, pray for deliverance and safety in these times.
I believe very much in prophetic dreams heartland. It says in scripture that at the end, God will pour out His Spirit upon the people. That old men will dream dreams and young men will see visions in regards to His return.
I believe your dream may have been 2 fold. Showing you the results of the oil spill but, it could have also been spiritually significant. Here’s what I mean.
The Christ, in dreams is represented by water. Though I don’t know what the algae is, aside from a cover of death, I don’t know what else it could represent. But in this case I believe it is of the people. The alligator, the antichrist. Hidden right now, waiting for his time to attack. First thing that popped in my mind with the grass was that it is amongst the people in which he’s hiding.
He’s coming back quickly to take the Church (and by the capitalization I’m referring to the redeemed as opposed to the institution of the catholic church per say). Once this happens, 21 judgments will follow. Disasters. Each one worse than the other. This is not to punish unbelievers but it is to destroy the evil in the hearts of man. Anyone who cries out to Him during this time will be assured a place with Him. If they die during one of the judgments, they will instantly be with Him rather than sleeping in the grave.
These judgments will last 3 1/2 years.
At the end of that time there will be another reaping. A taking up of the redeemed. Following this is the 3 1/2 year reign of the alligator. Most of the ones left will bill be those that shake their fists at God rather than bow a knee. The “alligator” will force the implantation of a “location chip” under the skin. Those that take it, their fate is sealed. Those that don’t, they will be the “final cut” you might say. These will be thrown in jail, some will be beheaded for their testimony as it was written. There will be a number that will be led into the wilderness during this time for safety. At the end of the 3 1/2 years those left will see the return of Christ for the millennial reign. All evil, save satan himself will be destroyed. Satan (I’m capitalizing only for grammar) will be bound for that time. At His coming, all will be renewed. No death. No sin. It will for all intents and purposes be a return to the Garden of Eden, but, the whole planet will be this.
After 1000 years, Christ will once again leave for one last time and release the bonds of satan. He will allow him to tempt as many as he can for a short time. Another 3 1/2 years I believe. After that, Christ returns with all those that have gone on before and one final battle ensues. Satan will be defeated and judged and cast into the lake of fire. Time has hence ceased forever more. Then the Great White Throne Judgment.
This time is upon us. One year and it will begin. Make your election sure.
I believe the second reaping, directly before the rise of the antichrist will be attributed to mass alien abduction. This I believe is where they are going to try and implement Project Blue Beam. To coax everybody left into taking the chip. Let me be clear though. Nobody will be fooled except that of the blind. To those left in Christ, it will all be made plain. There will be no wondering if it is the mark.
There will be 144,000 left to serve after the first reaping. They will sound the alarms so to speak on the judgments of God. Preaching Christ to all that would be converted in their hearts. This is the remnant.
Truly time is at hand.
Sorry. Didn’t mean to go into a long spiel. I only meant to share the interpretation of your dream. :)
@Adam
I noticed that you referenced the “uncountable they” in your first couple of posts. I knew exactly what you were speaking of because I have also done the research.
The whole scenario of a random explosion causing this kind of ecological devastion is absolutely ridiculous. The slow response and lethargic dismissiveness of the US government (which is developed for “them” by “them”) is absolutely, disgustingly, intellectually insulting.
BUT hey, many people (sad to say many AMERICANS) are more likely to believe ANYTHING the media tells them (not realizing that the same 5 companies own ALL of the media in the US and a large portion of international media markets as well- look it up; start with Viacom and follow the money…)
So many American people trust NBC, Entertainment Tonight and Oprah over their own God given common sense. It’s all right there if we dig a little deeper…
The word says in Proverbs 23:9 Do not speak to a fool for he will despise your wisdom…well sadly
there are plenty of fools who don’t believe that these events are orchestrated to achieve a specific means of creating a GLOBAL GOVERNMENT, CURRENCY and RELIGION….This impending change is ALL around us, all the time, we’ve just become numb to this attitude… this apostacy which is leading to the mass acceptance of the Antichrist.
Again I say ‘fools’ will dismiss the truth if it doesn’t suit them. It’s easier than doing the mental work of finding out for themselves whether a concept has plausability.
The agenda is very clear and literally millenia in the making… I feel your hesitance to be specific Adam…when you tell people the unpleasant truth the average brainwashed citizen will dismiss you as ‘crazy’….only a few will take the time to research FOR THEMSELVES from resources that are not owned by one of the 13 ruling families…but I digress…
The oil leak was not an accident and neither is the US response…I’m pricing home water distillers myself…I live in Alabama and I don’t plan to be caught off guard when the local govt begins to issue water rations…and then water restrictions…the Average American uses more than 100 gallons of water PER DAY!…
Yet these idiots are still promoting summer vacations at the beach to support the economy! Peddling the fantasy that everything is okay… stay calm…maintain life as usual.
I shake my head…my grandchildren will be talking about the effects of this oil spill…
60,000 barrels a day spewing into the gulf.
$74 a barrel
$4.5m a day of FREE oil ready for the taking.
Everybody with a sea worthy boat can make a living skimming the oil out of the gulf. They make a good living and the gulf is cleaned up at no cost to BP or the taxpayers. A Win, Win, situation. American Capitalism at it’s best. Just build a few drop off points along the shore and the entrepreneurs can off load and sail out again to refill. That’s how America would have handled this. Still can!
1. Why were SWAT teams sent again?
2. Are they still deployed?
3. Why are we telling troops to prepare for war re: North Korea and we are still talking peace with Iran?
4. Why isn’t it possible that North Korea could have done this?
5. Do we have the nuke option on site and ready to go?
lat’s not forget that Chavez has Iranian Revolutionary Guard’s in Venezuala as “guests” I wonder where they were at the time of the “accident”?
It takes that many North Korean nukes to put some cracks in the capitol building
The First Deep Horizon Offshore Drilling Platform Worker say’s to the Second Platform Worker, hey, don’t you think that BP should service the Blow Out Preventer it’s been leaking cherry juice and it got smacked or hit or some%@&!% SH%& back in March I think. F$@# no says the Second Platform Worker, those M%^$#^ F)&#!@ aint got the time or money to Pull some PM S%^$ like that now. Then the First Platform Workers say’s to the Second Platform Worker, Yeah, you’re probably right, but still don’t you think that the MMS should’a had BP install at least the Electric Remote if not both it and the Redundant Acoustic Activation Means, just for good measure I mean? To which the Second Platform Worker reply’s Whata ya F%#^%& Craz% , you know how much S%&* like that cost to have incorporated into a BOP? Then the First Platform Worker simply states, yeah, I guess you’re right, It’s like half a million bucks or more ,huh. In which case the Second Platform Worker say’s, You F$@$#@ got that right, now just forget about fixi’n the BOP and let’s just finish this G$% &*%+ shift, if that’s alright with you? To which the First Platform Worker Resignedly comments, Yeah, F%^$-it, but I sure hope this rig don’t blow. :-P
:?: Not to be nit picky here, but, haven’t we kind of veered of the conversational path of the subject?
Simple thermodynamics. Oil is dead ancient algea. Algea stores sunlight (energy) via photosynthesis inside hydrocarbons that are created from CO2 and H2O. Hello dumb@ss! Your car is powered by ancient sunlight. This also applies to any other fossil fuel too. Nothing is “clean” either. Hydroelectric creates greenhouse gasses, wind energy turbines wipe out entire flocks of migrating birds, solar is unreliable, and nukes create radioactive waiste. Without breaking laws of physics, there is not a magic bullet that will solve the problem.
k, please google “abiotic oil.”
Some reserves are being replenished by deeper sources emanating from the upper mantel of the earth. These are alkane based hydrocarbons. Bacteria present in oil is why we have historically thought that oil comes from decomposed organic life. This bacteria is found at shallower depths. Some of this thinking has been challenged.
In the gulf of Mexico, the Eugene Island 330 field depleted from 0ver 15,000 bbls/day to 4000 bbls/day, and mysteriously replenished back up to 15,000 bbls/day. I personally worked in the Eugene Island 330 field for 7 years. Further study and exploration revealed that the new oil was coming up along certain fault lines from much deeper areas. There was NO bacteria present in this “new” oil, which is called “abiotic oil.”
A field in Saudia Arabia was also found to be self-replenishing and the same thing was concluded: abiotic oil.
Russia has found abiotic oil in deep wells, and now wants the oil rights to the North Pole.
Please look up “Abiotic Oil” for further enlightenment. We now know that oil is not a limited resource at all. We just have to find the hot spots to drill in.
John, I heard the same thing a few years ago. A field was discovered off Brazil that was so large they figured, using the biotic oil theory, it wouldhave taken 19 cubic miles of organic matter to produce.
In another related story I remember several years ago that a deposit in the Gulf of Mexico tha had been depleted had miraculously filled up again. The report was on NPR I believe and it came from a Texas A&M scientist. I never heard another peep about it though. This may be the Eugene Island field you mentioned.
Russia imprisoned a billionaire in Siberia because he was going to sell their abiotic oil secrets and drilling techniques to Dick Cheney’s Halliburton.
I’m afraid Peak Oil is a scam if this is in fact true.
Governments are harping on a Carbon Tax and they don’t want any suggestion that we have potentially limitless supplies of evil, evil, life-giving petroleum.
Even our food is dependant on oil. For every calorie of food you consume, ten calories of fossil fuels was spent on just the processing and packaging alone. From the petrochemicals used in manufacturing pesticides and fertilizer, the fuel that powers the water pumps on the irrigation systems, the diesel that powers the tractors, to the transportation involved in bringing it to you……. all thanks to oil. You can thank oil for allowing the 20th century agriculture to keep up with the growth in population. Without oil, purely organic farming would required seven times more farmland to avoid depleating the soil. Even meat production is dependant on oil. For every pound of red meat, one quart of crude was used to feed, raise, process, and transport your juicy steak to your plate- this equates to about 4 barrols of oil per cow. If you think your current reality can survive without oil, you are about as wrong as two boys f*ckin in church and grandma watching; the education system has failed you.
Unfortunately, oil has made it possible for this planet to be overwhelmingly overpopulated buy humanity. Maybe when the oil goes away most of the ignorant masses will starve to death.
The hydrocarbon molecule is too valuable to burn.
You may google “products derived from crude oil” and further explore this. The first “hit” is from wikipedia.
Here is what it listed:
What products are derived from crude oil?
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Crude oil is feedstock for just about everything under the sun. When crude oil is refined, its various chemical parts are separated and some become gasoline, some lubricants, some asphalt, and others the raw materials for plastics and rubber and many more things. Here are some examples of what can be obtained from petroleum (crude oil, natural gas, and/or viscous or solid forms):
Fuels – like gasoline, diesel, propane (many people use propane to heat their homes), heating oil
Heavy bottoms – like asphalt, bitumen, tar
Petrochemicals – used as a feedstock for many everyday products:
* plastic gadgets, tools, bags, toys
* candles
* clothing (polyester, nylon)
* hand lotions
* petroleum jelly
* perfume
* dishwashing liquids
* ink
* bubble gums
* car tires
* ammonia
* heart valves
* and many more
Crude oil is refined and used to make all these products:
* Ethane and other short-chain alkanes which are used as fuel
* Diesel
* Fuel oils
* Petrol
* Jet fuel
* Kerosene
* Liquid petroleum gas (LPG)
* Natural gas
* Alkenes (olefins) which can be manufactured into plastics or other compounds
* Lubricants (produces light machine oils, motor oils, and greases, adding viscosity stabilizers as required).
* Wax, used in the packaging of frozen foods, among others.
* Sulfur or Sulfuric acid. These are a useful industrial materials. Sulfuric acid is usually prepared as the acid precursor oleum, a byproduct of sulfur removal from fuels.
* Bulk tar.
* Asphalt
* Petroleum coke, used in speciality carbon products or as solid fuel.
* Paraffin wax
* Aromatic petrochemicals to be used as precursors in other chemical production.
Use the links below to learn more.
I don’t think you’ve got to try and convince anybody here of the usefulness of petrol. You may not be seeing the big picture. Order out of Chaos. The only thing that could bring about total chaos would be any one of three things…
Economic collapse, thermonuclear war, and lastly but certainly not least, an EMP detonation.
Collapsing the economy is the “cleanest” way to plunge the world into chaos. Create the problem then present the solution, which winds up being worse than the first problem.
There is nobody in our government of any elite status that is trying to stabilize our economy. They cannot attain their self proclaimed “manifest destiny” until the conditions are right. One of those conditions is a single currency. What is the ONLY thing that would get America to go to another currency? Our own being worthless. Our national pride would never let the dollar be substituted for any other currency unless we had to to survive. Again, create the problem, then present the solution.
The oil spill only propagates the problem. It’s another straw on the camel’s back.
Breaking the back of big oil and capitalism will destroy America. The internal combustion engine, jet aircraft, plastics, and a myriad of products, goods, and services were built around petroleum. The products we use, cosmetics, everything…the asphalt on our roads…green energy will never replace the entire infrastructure of America.
How many products are obtained from crude oil? Somewhere around 250, last i heard.
Cosmetics…lipstick, rouge, mascara, face powder…all come from paraffin compounds in oil. Not to speak of candles and wax products.
Special sulphur compounds from crude oil are sold to pharmaceutical companies to make sulfa drugs.
Resins and polymers..sold to PPG and others who manufacture plastics. Next time you put your garbage in a plastic trash bag, remember this. Look at our catheters, medical equipment, IV bags, syringes, tubing, and hundreds of different items used in the medical field.
Alcohol compounds..phenols, etc that go into pesticides, household cleaners, paints, tons of chemicals
Fertilizers
Exxon in Baton Rouge, Louisiana is the 2nd largest refinery in America. Look them up online. Over 300 products are being made from crude oil. The only thing left over is asphalt, and that is sold to the highway dept.
If you think the American Economy and it’s infrastructure of goods and services can do without oil, you are deaf, dumb, and blind.
We will collapse back into the stone ages without this precious fuel and its by products. Yes we have to be responsible with it. Sure, we can develop automobiles that use electricity and reduce our emissions, but we still need oil for all of our other products that provide us and the world with our way of life. Let me find a link for the products that come from oil. I will post it.
Thank the Creator! Now we have a reason to stop loading our faces and homes with things made from petroleum!
Maybe small American businesses can make a come back with out big oil’s cheap petroleum products flooding the market.
Hallelujah!
BTW, how many of these products can be made from Hemp?
Yea I don’t think you know too much about renewable energy friend, in particular hemp. Hemp is the #1 bio-mass producer and can replace virtually all petroleum based products, while at the same time remaining carbon-neutral or even carbon-negative (absorbing more CO2 than is released when used as building materials). Petroleum makes some 250 products? Hemp can make some 25,000. There can DEFINITELY be a world, running just as efficiently but a whole lot more environment-friendly, without oil or petroleum products in general.
I am not trying to insult your intelligence in any way, I just think that you should really look up hemp, in particular its possibile uses as bio-fuel, and a replacement for other petroleum based products.
hemp used to make a lot of products, but it’s chemical constituency is not near the same as crude oil. what about the alcohol compounds for insecticides? asphalt for roads? SULPHUR COMPOUNDS FOR A MYRIAD OF APPLICATIONS? I think you just want to smoke hemp. Be honest. And don’t tell me I “don’t know too much about renewable energy.” Am I supposed to validate myself to you? If it makes you feel better to think I’m retarded, then more power to you. Hemp can’t make propane to heat your home. Or car tires???????
Maybe you’d better put the roach down and clear your head for a while?
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Just before the spill, Obama reversed his moratorium on offshore oil “exploration” which generated Big Oil bucks for the struggling Democrats, but endangered support from the Big Buck Hollywood Greenies.
Then, despite monthly inspections including one just 3 weeks before, the Horizon exploded (revealed in a media “blip” which like the sub in the area at the time of the explosion was never mentioned again) the previously ‘inspected’ Blowout Protector mysteriously “failed” resulting in the uncontrolled blow out.
As a result Obama was enabled to (1) regain Greenie support by reversing his previous reversal with another moratorium, (2) justify increasing governmental regulation, (3) villainize Big Oil in general and ‘British’ Petroleum in particular, and (4) regain the spotlight at the next Global Warming Summit, and (5) further justify Cap and Trade legislation.
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Ignoring the spill until it became another “crisis,” enabled him to (1) Distract the media from Democrat corruption issues, (2) Divert attention from his position on illegal immigration, (3) Close down offshore drilling and (4) Force bankruptcy on offshore oil companies which will (1) Escalate unemployment, (2) Increase government dependence, (3) justify another taxpayer bailout, and (4) ‘necessitate’ government take over of the oil industry similar to what was imposed on the auto industry and any other source of employment not currently under Obama’s control.
It’s all just so darned convenient.
Ever one can see the incompetence of the Obama administration or of our government but apparently the Obama administration is not listening to his superiors. Does the President of the United States have a Superior? If so then the American People should seek out that Superior and complain because evidently their government is not listening, obeying nor respecting the demands of the American People.
On the other hand if the Obama administration or the U.S. Government does not have Superiors then the American People should just shut up, believe what they our told and let their benevolent superiors take care of them, because apparently their superiors know best and the American People are just timid mumbling people. The American People didn’t want to Bail the Banks, didn’t want the Health Care Reform, they want their troops home already and more etc…but their elected officials knows what’s best for them. Conclusion the U.S. is on the verge of becoming a silent scientifically designed tyrannic government.
BP CEO Hayward sold off millions of his BP stock weeks before “accident.”
Have any of you seen this article?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/7804922/BP-chief-Tony-Hayward-sold-shares-weeks-before-oil-spill.html
So did Goldman Sachs. Google this . Very fishy
Just another false flag attack. the U.S. is in the hands of the NWO and we don’t even know it . What a sad ending for this Country of Brave Good Hearted People.The news of the gulf blacked out. Isn’t that another name for Fascism, Communism, or some other ism.
Correct. Motorman are generally the equivalent of a mechanic’s helper, babysit the generator room, workshop, assist in maintenance, do nightly reports, and mop the floor. And correct again, how can light bulbs and computers explode from a surge? Also, a rig electrician, as he claims to be is not even qualified to comment on rubber returns in the drilling mud or procedure decisions made on the rig floor. That comes under the heading of hearsay, and isn’t even in his job competency or job description. I agree there’s something fishy in his story. Maybe he’s just looking for lawsuit money?
Either way, it’s time to get NK anyway. They attacked a SK ship, and nothing was done. If they had anything to do with this gulf disaster, they should be evaporated as a country. America likes to get involved in indecisive imbroglios like Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan so the military industrial complex can prosper. I think it’s time we did something decisive to someone, and NK would be the perfect target. We have SK interests to protect.
Obama seems interested only in pomp and regalia. Maybe he should cancel the proms and go wash some pelicans. If he wants support from American citizens, rolling up his sleeves, shutting his rhetorical mouth, getting his hands dirty and washing some oiled pelicans would go a long way. This is a once in a century accident. It had to happen eventually. Let’s pray it was just an accident.
correction: licensed. forgive the typo
I worked offshore oil and gas production for almost 20 years.
Let me tell you why the Ocean Energy “rig electrician” who was interviewed on 60 Minutes is a LIAR. He said that the engines that drove his generators were breathing methane, and the rpm’s sped up. He furthermore stated that the light bulbs brightened, then exploded. That’s a lie, and is impossible.
1.) Yes, these type engines can speed up, but are protected by overspeed switches that cut off the ignition and kill the engines in the event of an rpm runaway. (inside an overspeed switch is a set of centrifugal weights that, in an overspeed scenario, fly outward and hit electrical contacts, killing the engine) I have personally seen generators overspeed and lights brighten, but the engines shut down on overspeed every time. All those engines are equipped with overspeed protection from the manufacturer, be it Caterpillar, Waukesha, or any other brand used in the oil industry. Conclusion: The engines would have shut down on overspeed with increased rpm’s.
2) He said the light bulbs brightened, then exploded? With over-voltage, light bulbs don’t explode. They burn out because the filaments burn out. Our lights brightened, but never even burned out when the engines shut down on overspeed. ASK ANY OILFIELD MECHANIC OR ELECTRICIAN.
This “rig electrician” furthermore stated that his computers exploded from the overspeed of the generators! This is laughable. Computers are in the first place plugged into surge protection, and secondly if they did take a surge, they couldn’t explode anyway, only burn out. ASK ANY REAL ELECTRICIAN, COMPUTER EXPERT, ETC.
CONCLUSION: LEAVE IT TO 60 MINUTES TO BROADCAST BIAS, LIES, AND SENSATIONALISM. THEY HAVE A HISTORY OF IT.
I repeat. Light bulbs can brighten from an overspeed scenario, but I never saw one burn out, much less blow up. I knew that “rig electrician” was full of crap when I saw him telling his story. He said he was a rig electrician and was over all the computers. A rig electrician is a journeyman electrician, not usually in charge of the computers anyway. This guy sounds more like a motorman, who is essentially a babysitter for the generators while the real electrician is sleeping. A motorman is not a licenced electrician. Anyone can be a motorman. They work UNDER electricians.
Anyone who knows any rig electricians or Trans ocean employees should seriously look into the credibility of this “witness.”
I’m in the military, when news broke out about the oil spill there was a blurb about a submarine firing on the oil rig. And then… it wasn’t important on how it happened what mattered was sealing the leak and cleaning up. I spoke with my co-workers about this and they agreed; they heard the same thing. Did anyone else hear this on the news? I heard it on Fox News and CNN. Now I’m on the internet trying to find out what the hell is going on. All I can find about submarines and the oil spill is BP using robotic submarines to fix the massive oil leak. And of course this attack by North Korea, Obama did send some Nuclear Scientist out to the site. I won’t tell my co-workers about this story they will probably think I’m insane, but damn if it’s true what the hell is going on?
More and more it seems this country is being led by enemies; I’ve never seen an American President so clam and almost smiling when he sees the American shoreland covered with oil and greets loving Americans knowing they are out of their livelihood.
WOW! How come this isn’t being talked about. This is the first time I’ve heard about it. All I know we’re f*cked BIG TIME! Our lives on this planet are now limited. We just took a big hit in the food chain. I pray to God this get fixed!
Full scoop on NKorea that is now preparing for war …
Mini-subs were spotted off Pearl Harbor, Ohuau … US Naval Intelligence concerned … SKorea appeals to UN Security Council … NKorea now exporting nuclear weapons technology to highest bidders … Russia admits fissile material missing …
What is North Korea’s ‘secret plan’ to defeat America?
http://www.helium.com/items/1844358-what-is-north-koreas-secret-plan-to-defeat-america
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Why North Korea is mobilizing for war
http://www.helium.com/items/1843182-why-north-korea-is-mobilizing-for-war
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Possible North Korea target: Deepwater Horizon oil platform
http://www.helium.com/items/1822086-possible-north-korean-attack-on-deepwater-horizon-oil-rig
Bullshit, and not even intriguing. Everyone knows that the International Zionist Conspiracy (tm.) blew up the rig with the explosives they had left over from the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake they caused.
intriguing.
bullshit….
….but intriguing.
Yes, it’s certainly preferable to believe that North Korea is behind the single worst evironmental disaster in US history. The blatant media lie that BP, the English company who claims credit and is currently spending well over one billion dollars in clean up and containment costs, is simply a commie shill for Kim Jung Il. Yes, I see the light now, fucktards.
“Ain’t allowed”?? you think maybe Obama is going to stop them?
Y’alls is stoopit. The North Koreans ain’t in our seas – are you that stoopid? They ain’t allowed to come this far – why do you think we have Okinawa and Guam and places like that? So them eejit’s can’t leave, eejit. Y’all need to stop spreading lies.
Why North Korea is mobilizing for war
Like a simmering pot, the Korean conflict has been on the verge of boiling over for many years. In the past several months the heat has been ratcheted up. During the past several weeks the political stew in the pot has again reached the boiling point. The sinking of the SKorean naval vessel, Cheonan, in the Yellow Sea by a NKorean mini-sub that launched an unprovoked torpedo attack has lit the fuse on a possible resumption of an all out war.
NKorea has already reaffirmed it’s at war with the United States
During 2009, dictator Kim Jong-il announced that his country no longer would abide by the Armistice that was suggested by India and agreed to by the United Nations, U.S., Russia, China and NKorea in 1953. SKorea never signed the agreement.
Full article: http://www.helium.com/items/1843182-why-north-korea-is-mobilizing-for-war
Big D, Whether the story is true or not, you’re retarded if you think it can’t happen, and even more retarded if you think Obama and the US government can or want to protect you.
I agree with you 100%.
True or not, our annointed one cannot be trusted. He has proved it day in and day out. And there is no truth in what he says. Obama only want’s to protect himself. He has no love for the USA.
I had a vision in about ’99 I looked outside the window and saw the sky filled with oriental paratroopers.
It’s gotta be true, most of the “references” link to wikipedia. and we all know it’s never wrong.
Wickipedia is NOT always correct. I hope that that statement was sarcasm.
I understand your skepticism. I’m not 100% sold myself, but it does go a long way in giving a solid second explanation to what happened.
First, we know these dudes are crazy enough to try it. Second, “never fail to capitalize on a crisis”. This gives extreme environmentalists a HUGE bone IF they can squash the story and make it look like negligence on the part of the oil company. There is all KINDS of new sanctions, fines, committees (personally appointed to by the administration most likely), and a great deal of tighter restrictions on drilling and even operations.
Let’s look at motive. With this kind of attack you kill 3 birds with one stone. First, you are attacking South Korea by destroying a highly economic target. Second, you can levy a HUGE environmental disaster on America. Third, you can test the response of the new American President. Is he willing and capable of backing up his threats? Not even using the above given reason about the NPT in drawing this picture, so, add another piece of motive behind it there.
The only thing I’d like to see independently confirmed is the movement of that N. Korean ship. Whether or not it DID veer off course or not. If it did veer off course toward the gulf and closing within the said distance of the oil rig, I believe that would be your smoking gun.
What’s interesting also to me is that there has been NO mention whatsoever about investigating why the thing exploded. They also have never addressed the terrorism issue. Usually when something big like this happens, they come across the wire or in a press conference saying “We do not believe that this was an act of terrorism.”
Motive, means and opportunity. If you could put that boat off course that day as it was stated, or better yet if you could get concrete intelligence that a mini-sub was dispatched into the Gulf of Mexico hours before the explosion, I don’t think there is any court in the country that couldn’t convict.
Also remember, just like any President, Obama has handlers. If I had to guesstimate I’d say 85% of American control is held by “the group”, which includes his cabinet, 10% by congress and 5% by the President. Now, if the damn “group” is letting this play out for their sick amusement and you take away their “chess game” antics, we’re left to focus on the “tip of the iceberg” so to speak. The 15% that is sticking up above the surface of the water. Congress and the President’s handlers (his cabinet) and Obama himself. These people are not stupid. Like Obama or hate him, one fact that you can’t ignore is, no matter how bad you may want to, he’s still green.
He has no diplomatic track record. He was only a senator for a very short amount of time when compared to previous administrations that came out of the halls of Congress. He’s an idealist over and beyond a realist. He has yet to establish an aura of power around him. By that I mean the “I’m the President of the United States and I wield the forces thereof. DON’T PISS ME OFF!” He has not struck fear into the heart of the enemy.
If this WAS as it is written above, you can bet your ass it was a test. A test to see if he had the teeth to back up the bark. Now, he may have the teeth and want to bite back, but, his handlers don’t have the faith in him that he could pull of a real military conflict. That sends an indelible signal to the enemies of our nation. The signal that our administration’s loins are not girted for that of war. Remember, Iraq and Afghanistan was already in full swing years before he took office. All he’s had to do is continue it.
Some people ask how they could have pulled off a mini-sub in the Gulf. Actually, if I’m not mistaken (which I could be, it’s not beyond the reach of the imagination) the oil rig is not technically in OUR waters. You go out beyond a certain point and you are in International Waters where any and maritime vessels can operate. But who’s to say that our military was not aware. Let’s say we were aware of it and allowed it. What’s the reasoning? Possibly to avert an international crisis? World War III possibly? Here’s my logic.
The military watches it happen but does nothing to stop if for a couple of different reasons. One, the highest ranking military officials are in “the group” who call “international shots” in their little game of chess. Two, let’s take “the group” and their agenda COMPLETELY out of the equation and reel it back into “reality”. From a purely strategical standpoint (and this is coming from a layman, not prior military, any of you who are please feel free to impeach my logic), if they averted the explosion of the oil rig, about the only way they could do it would be to destroy the mini-sub or it’s “mama”. So, let’s SAY they responded, blew the mini or the mama out of the water like we have the fire power to do. North Korea can use it as an act of war by us to thrust us into a full military conflict. A military conflict that would be financed by Russia and China if only under the table. Now, if they drew us into a military conflict and we wiped NK from Google Earth, because NK is China’s little illegitimate bastard child, they would be forced to step in and defend. If they did allow us to neuter NK, I highly doubt Russia would. Just cause this story came from a Russian newspaper, don’t believe for one second that Russia is not the slightest bit interested in seeing us eat caviar an vodka for the next 100 years. The cold war is still on, it’s just gone underground. They are kinda like the bully that acts nice when the principal is around. They are being forced to play nice. Knowing that we’ve got just as much military force as they do…at least for now.
Sorry, I got off on a tangent. The point is, it would not behoove our military to respond overtly to a NK mini-sub conducting an operation, albeit a destructive one in our waters. From a strictly military standpoint and I’m guessing here, a hit on a oil rig would be a low priority attack. Maybe one that doesn’t DEMAND immediate retaliatory strike.
Trust me when I say this, a war with North Korea would be a precursor to WW III.
Lastly, if it was so easily refuted that they had nothing to do with it, how come the Obama administration has ordered a complete media blackout? Simple. It gives the administration’s cabinet and handlers time to formulate a peaceful response to be doled out to them under the table. Say, another sanction? A “shame on you”? Meanwhile, he gets to play “superhero of the environment” and be mister bad ass to the evil oil. Which they are evil by the way, don’t get me wrong.
OHHHHH I almost forgot. One of the responses said “if this is the case, why is BP paying for all of it?” I doubt I could offer sufficient information on that. I can only speculate as I have been this entire response, but, they had friends and family on that rig. Whether they knew about it or not, the fact is, everybody else believes they are responsible. If they refused to offer 100% of their resources to stop it, they would be publicly crucified. After all, “who’s gonna believe that it was a “NK mini-sub”? Everybody would say “yeah right”. What about guilt complex? What about profit loss mitigation? All that oil spilling out is oil they could be pumping. Lastly, could it be that they have looked at the potential consequences of a military conflict with NK (effectively Russia and China) themselves and has figured it would be in the best interest of everybody to just take the hit instead? After all, there is a liability cap on oil companies’ damage set forth by the Bush administration while he was in office. I do not know the figure though.
All this could be nothing. But then again, it’s plausible. By the way, if you’ll look at those wiki links, which I agree is littered with incorrectness, these were only linking to particular words. They aren’t references to the story per say. They are not collaborating links in other words. The only collaborating links I really found was under the words “military swat teams” and “ordered”. So, take from it what you will. Just an observation.
Adam, I agree with you that this is entirely plausible. Further potential proof is the lack of any video provided for a very long time of the sea floor where the “blowout” occurred. Also, am I the only one who can’t figure out why a blowout might bend the pipes down and to the side on the sea floor? I understand that a blowout could have mangled things pretty dramatically but if you believe the guy on 60 Minutes the blowout was caused by damaged annular seals on the blowout preventer itself. If that was the cause, the pressure would have slipped past the damaged seals and made its way upward.
If this pressure was great enough to completely bend the remaining piping on the sea floor down and to the side it would, to my eye, be much more forceful than we are seeing now.
Coming from me this is ignorant speculation but my very basic scientific understanding prevents me from buying a blowout is what caused this.
Maybe several tonnes of drill piping crashing down after the blowout came crashing down on the riser causing the resulting deflection but I don’t know that.
I also agree with you Adam that the President is very lucky to claim 85% of the so-called power of this country.
The “group” you refer to are Eugenicists at their heart and is made up of almost entirely bankers and hyper-wealthy individuals.
They’ve made it clear that they think there are too many people on Earth and they think of all of us as serfs meant to serve them and suffer from their “management.”
If you have a hard time wrapping your head around that one just imagine a cattle or sheep feedlot. This is where the animals go to be fattened up before they go to market.
They are confined, fed fattening food and have absolutely no freedom in their existence until their owners decide it’s time for them to go to slaughter.
Tell me how humanity on this planet are treated any differently…
CORRECTION: I meant to say the President is lucky to claim the 5% Adam mentioned above. He clearly doesn’t have 85% of the power of this country.
Further, there was no mention of a Russian media source in the above story.
It refers to a report circulating the Kremlin and, as far as I’m concerned, is much more reliable than any story that might be ran in a Russian newspaper. As the child of a former Russian General now serving in the US Army once told me, “In Russia, journalists die like fishes.”
Thank you Swampgut. I know I was pretty long and drawn out. I’m glad you know of whom I speak. At the same time it seems the conspiracy may go further than we might believe.
We know that “those people” operate under the guise of environmentalists in large part. Could it be this story, which, I’ve subsequently found entries giving credit to Sorcha Faal which is supposedly a Russian employee, but, I’ve also subsequently learned through some research on “her”, she is just a pseudonym for a man by the name of David Booth which is purportedly famous for several internet hoaxes. I also went to the executive order page of the white house and there was no media blackout i saw there, which doesn’t mean much.
That interview with the worker that survived kinda tells me that the NKs could be the scapegoat or could have help by a environmental extremist group wanting to destroy offshore drilling. I wouldn’t put it past them. We know their plan is to sink their own companies before they drop the hammer. They’ve got to make the markets crash permanently.
We also can’t rule out a mole getting on board that thing via rising through the oil company ranks and committed sabotage.
It is a bit odd that they had such a good record and then all the sudden they were these people that were violating all these safety precautions. Why weren’t these caught BEFORE the president awarded these accolades to them. Whatever the case may be, there’s still a stinking fish around….
Adam, My husband and I have thought sabotage from the beginning because of the wrench left in the cutoff valve from the very recent “maintenance” which kept the cutoff valve from closing. Then coincidentally the explosion happened just a few days later. Then nobody takes decisive action, and we have never really heard anything plausible about the cause of the explosion.
And now, very conveniently Obama is tying this incident into Cap and Trade, taking over the entire energy industry in the U.S, nationaizing private foreign property (BPs oil weill” and while they are at it taking control of all the businesses and houses in the U.S. for “energy” purposes. It all fits in with their grand scheme for world governance and a lot of foreigners believe in global governance and will do anything to get their agenda implemented.
And for the record, Obama and his cohorts are NOT “GREEN.” They are using that as a cover to take control of everything they can. In the end THEY (progressives around the world) want to CONTROL the WORLD and will lie, cheat, steal and murder to get it.
We also agree with Swampgut. Anybody that pays attention can see what is happening.
Thanks for the trojan.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/content/big-lie-selling-you-war-north-korea