Everybody knows Jews are performed 9 /11 ,We all know in here.

Sami above said everything I wanted to say but better. One thing, if my girlfriend were telling me all these things about her ancestors being slained, I’d probably act as same as you do.

Peace.

But it was ok for Israel to use the USS Liberty for target practice?
Turkey will give you a taste of your own medicine, juden.

Irish from australia is telling me that we have no legitemate borders? What the F are you doing there?

We’re bombing kurds? We’re bombing terrorists that ambush and kill every day since 80’s. They killed 40.000 some Turks. I grow up with seeing dead babies in newspapers, almost everyday. What do you expect us to do, lay back and watch people die?

I got it now, your GF is kurdish isn’t she?

“First you postthat Turks never enacted slavery ever! and then you provide information riddled with accounts of Turks using slavery.”

I also showed that the custom started in 9th century, Turks didn’t come to that area until 11th century. It’s another example of how you’re picking and chosing. Napoleon used memluks in his army too.

“You have your sissy fit about me hating Turks but i dont hate Turks- i hate the extremelly barbaric actions of your ancestors who contributed nothing new to human history except a higher level of barbarism directed against those they occupied.”

If what you say about Turks were true, I’d accept that, but they are not. You still can’t provide one link to back your words. I shouldn’t even reply to you.

“I am a australian of Irish descent,not a Greek or a Armenian but my girlfriend is Turkish from the black sea region and she has told me to pitty people like yourself because you have no free speech in your country.Most political disidents go missing or are tried for “insulting Turkishness” soyou are just a robot regurgitating goverment propaganda.”

This is the part I don’t understand. Your girlfriend is Turkish from blacksea area? I’m from blacksea area. She should know, Rize. My ancestors, and maybe hers too, came from Georgia (not very sure but around there somehere). They were not muslims, not Turkish, but they lived among Turks for centuries. Is she one of them as well? I understand now that she is the source of your information. So what’s the story here? What does she know?
About insulting Turkishness, yes, we have that law and it’s about the only limit to free speach. I’m not proud of it, but I understand the reason they take offense when they insult Turkishness.

I don’t even want to repeat what you wrote about fall of constantinopol. Lies, lies and more lies. Prove it or shut up. The article I post was from Greek person. Would he have said those things if it happened the way you descibed? Lies!

Before you think about saying something about how we murdered natives in our lands, look what your ancestors did to natives of your lands. You did not leave enough behind that they would complain and call you genocidal animals. Hypocracy at best. Read that long text Dennis posted if you have to.

Damien,
you have no legitimate borders since you stole them from the Kurds who were there before you.
Give them back their country and say sorry to them for 400 years of theft rape murder and terrorism.
How can you talk of palestinian rights when you just destroyed 500 kurdish villages in the 90s and continue to bomb them today ?
Give their land back theif !!!

I know how it feels to be terrorized, becuase PKK has killed 40.000 some turks since 80’s when they suddenly decided that they had right to their country within our borders. It’s horrible to see dead bodies of children in newspapers, growing up with it. Especially having been friends in last 600 years, living and fighting together in battlefield, protecting our lands from crusaders. They suddenly started killing babies. I mean, in your case, it’s little more understandable that they are resisting the way they are. But I think Kurd extreemists are causing even more damage. You don’t see us Militerising their cities, claiming their lands and all. We send planes to bomb them from time to time, but very rare. What your government is doing there is just inhumane. I’m sorry to say this and I don’t wanna start a fight, but there are lots of Israelis who think the same. I can give you some links on those if you like. Look what they’re saying now, if you insist on pushing for your state, we will cut your finances. Do they think they will ben over and take that? I think they know better.

Anyway, let’s not get into it too deep, I only hope that one day this will all be over and all borders vanished and all humans gathered under one country ruled by robots. (Because we’re clearly not able to rule ourselves)

Also can I ask you to take a look at this? Please tell me what you think? Not about what we’re talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq9gaC4R_d8

Wow, inviting Jews for financial gain huh? That’s priceless. Is that your opinion? Provide one link that shows how Turks financially gained form Jews and I’ll admit you’re the master of history. But you can’t so you’re just a hateful prick.

This is only one of the evidence that Turks accepted any religion and culture into their own and trated them as their own. I know this because my ancestors are one of them.

“however the history of modern Turkey has not been so clean against other minorities”

It means exactely that, not clear. I’m not saying in all 700 years of history we haven’t made any mistakes. Noone is perect and there are some black days in Turkish history as well. All nations do. Some admit it and moved on, others still trying to hide it. If you think Turks were any more meaner than all others are, you are delusional, hatefull and probably Greek:)

Peace out!

Chris,

That’s right about the mamluk, but why did you stop there? Let me add the remaining text.

“The “mamluk phenomenon”, as David Ayalon dubbed the creation of the specific warrior class,[2] was of great political importance and was extraordinarily long-lived, lasting from the 9th to the 19th century AD. Over time, mamluks became a powerful military caste in various Muslim societies. Particularly in Egypt, but also in the Levant, Iraq, and India, mamluks held political and military power. In some cases, they attained the rank of sultan, while in others they held regional power as amirs or beys. Most notably, mamluk factions seized the sultanate for themselves in Egypt and Syria in a period known as the Mamluk Sultanate (1250–1517).

What part of this are you complaining again? Doesn’t it also say

“The story of military in slavery Islamic societies begins with the Abbasid caliphs of the 9th century Baghdad. The earliest mamluks were known as ghilman (another term for slaves, broadly synonymous[5]) and were bought by the early Abbasid caliphs.”

Something starting as early as 9th century is suddenly our fault? Plus, look at the timeframe, in those times, europe was killing each other in any and every change. Again, your hate is pointing you this direction, not your logic.

I also looked up Devrisme in Wikipedia. Here’s some excerpts.

“Tavernier noted in 1678 that the Janissaries looked more like a religious order than a military corps.[18] The members of the organization were not banned from marriage, as Tavernier further noted, but it was very uncommon for them. He goes on to write that their numbers had increased to a hundred thousand, but this was because of a degeneration of regulations and many of these were in fact “fake” Janissaries, posing as such for tax exemptions and other social privileges. He notes that the actual number of Janissaries was in fact much lower. (Shaw writes that their number was 30 000 under Suleiman the Magnificent.[19]) Recruits were sometimes gained through voluntarily accessions, as some parents were often eager to have their children enroll in the Janissary service that ensured them a successful career and comfort.”

This was when? in 1500’s? You’re upset because there were 30.000 children taken away from their parents to be a high ranking soldier? Everyone in Turkey has to go to the army even today. I just went. You were expecting them to leave the other religions alone? And from what’s written above, they got better deals than average.

So what are you complaining about? Just say it, I hate you becuase you exist. It’s ok though, I don’t hate you. You one day will understand hate brings only hate. If you want a life full of it, keep on spreading it.

Chris,

You’re so hateful, it’s laughable.
Look what you said about Cyprus? “While Greek cypriots did kill some Turks in Cyprus it was to rid their island of The Turks who had forcefully settled there and occupied 18% of that island in many years of previous invasions” How long has it been since the Turks invaded parts of Cyprus? Over hundreds of years? They suddenly decided to kill all turks in the island in 1974. You expected turks to do nothing about it? Not defend our people and sit back and watch while they burned them alive? That’s how hateful you are you can’t even see the facts. So it’s OK when Israel is entitled those lands because Palestanians attacked them with sticks and stones, but Turks shouldn’t have protected their people when attacked? See what I mean about your mental state?

And you say “If you read the accounts of the Greeks or Armenians or the assyrians or any of these indeginous peoples of the lands invaded by the Turks it will seem like a living hell under Turkish rule. Imagine what it would be like to a member of a christian community living under the Taliban”
Like it or not, they were being invaded wiht people from outside of their culture and religion. Surely I wouldn’t expect many to like the invadors and welcome them in. But facts remains and you can’t give me any evidnce to controrary, only people Turks have killed are in the battlefield. You know so much so you must also know the reason they cam to anatolia was because their lands were not fertile and they had to move out. All went to different directions, some came to anatolia.

I googled your keywords, all I find is what I expect, nothing out of ordinary. Here’s what I found in Wikepedia searching for fall of Constatinopol. “Byzantine historian George Sphrantzes was an eyewitness to the fall of Constantinople. In his chronicle about the fall of the city, he wrote down the events that had taken place at the end of the third day of the conquest:

On the third day after the fall of our city, the Sultan celebrated his victory with a great, joyful triumph. He issued a proclamation: the citizens of all ages who had managed to escape detection were to leave their hiding places throughout the city and come out into the open, as they were remain free and no question would be asked. He further declared the restoration of houses and property to those who had abandoned our city before the siege, if they returned home, they would be treated according to their rank and religion, as if nothing had changed.
—George Sphrantzes

They didn’t even change the name of the City until 1930’s. WHAT do you say to this?

You couldn’t even lead yourself to the water. World history is full of violence and destruction. You must be hateful for some reason to pick on Turks. Look what happened in eastern europe very recently. Serbs lined up and killed 18thousand some muslims after they were owerpowered. Noone is saying anything about that genocode? It’s ok when Christians do it?

You said: “How can Turkey call for the descent treatment of the Palestinians when Turkey has done way worse to the Kurds and even today denies the kurds their historic homeland which Turkey occupies????”

Kurds you say? They fought next to us in all historic battles, they have been mixed so much in Turks, we are inseperable. Today, they are allowed to have their schools, teach their language and have TV channels in kurdish. Yes, they were treated unfairly in the past, but those days are over. Still some fanatics insists that they should declare their own government in Turkish land. This is like american indiand wanting to establish their government. Would US allow that to happen?

You say: “Its a no brainer unless of course your deaf,dumb and blind ignorant and arrogant and refuse to read non turkish sources”

Here is where your hate surface. I’m reading wikipedia in english. Have been asking you to provide links, but you are unable to do that. Because you’re picking and chosing words and letting your imagination take you to your hateful yourself. Like you said, it would be like christians under taliban. Oh how terrible that would be huh? those barbaric talibans. I don’t think it could have been worse than what happened to muslims in bosnia.

Hater!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTGbP55HGi8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gzyeo1Z1I4&feature=related